We all want Real Madrid to win

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Anyone gonna stick their neck out on a score-line for tonight?

Alex K (Alex K), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

one nil to Juve - nedved in the 43rd minute

chris (chris), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ronan, I missed last night, so I can't comment, but the first leg was gripping.

I play football on Wednesday lunchtimes and I'm known as Costacurta. Because of my name, not my talent, though I am an ageing, slightly out of his depth sex symbol central defender.

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

the Milan derbies were both pretty dull i thought

erm, the second one was way more animated
...and Inter's kickboxin' Mat-tvoju!-erazzi should've been sent away, huh, like twice!

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

(oh, and -- i never want Real Madrid to win)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

As I stated upthread, 1-0 to Juventus.

Man, I'd forgotten how great Italy vs Holland in Euro 2000 was until I was reminded of it here. De Boer (which one was it again)'s first penalty in the shootout is one of my all time favourite Italian football match memories. Heather Mills could have hit that better.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

The thing about Juventus' strikeforce- Alex Del Piero has been (with the possible exception of Henry) the best player in the European Leagues this season. It's just that, as anyone who has ever seen an Italian national match since 1997 will realise, he just isn't a big game player (and this goes for Champions League as well).

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm going for a Madrid win. 2-1 with both goals from Zidan, just to really stick it up the Old Lady. I know that Juve have it in them to fuck me off and nick it but I think Madrid are hungry for it.

Alex K (Alex K), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think people are investing too much faith in Juve's defence.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

They have only conceeded 22 in 31 Serie A matches this season, though. The confidence is there for a reason.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I prefer Juventus to Real.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Clive T is too pro-Madrid, and should be censured.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tim Hopkins, a pub in Lancaster, watching the European Championship final, 2000:

'I want the Italians to win - they're magnificent defensively and are a true team of all the virtues of football, not just pretty pretty fannydanglers' (or words to that effect).

Sometime later when France have resorted to massive hoofs up the pitch in English stylee:

'I like the way France are playing. I might change my mind...'

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree with Pinefox about Clive T, despite my preference for Real tonight. But then I think Clive T should be silenced, period.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave: consistency is my worst vice. Nice to see you in the Exeter E&E today btw.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wahay!

Spent most of this morning on the blower to Sir Gary Nelson...

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Go go Serie A..

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

There is a reason for having ITV2 after all!

Real should buy some defenders. I just knew Figo would miss that penalty. Had to keep screaming "shut up" when Venison kept saying that Montero should be sent off, didn't mention the Real players making "book him" motions, which I thought was a bookable offence. Poor old Nedved.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Christ what a disaster. I'm surprised how much I didn't want Juve to win.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Real Madrid are a bunch of wankers, and watching them lose, or hearing about them lose, is one of the greatest pleasures in my life. I hate the way everyone gets right up their arse when they couldn't even beat their own grannies half the time.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

well, well... nothing much - else - apart from Real's loss tonight -- has gladdened me as greatly, lately

(now if only a big iron bird carrying La Lakers would drop from the sky...)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

i was up for juve, because they were sort of the underdogs. i wasn't particularly bothered either way, though, just up for a few goals and entertainment etc. john toshack's co-commentary on TV3 caused much unintentional hilarity. he was amusingly pro-Real (perhaps understandably, i suppose) and when the penalty was misse, he went "NOOOOOO!" in a really whiny voice.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

It was one of the crappest penalties I've seen.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

and if i had a pound for every time he whinged about montero not being sent off etc etc...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm no Juventus lover, but surely a big old fashioned Nelson Muntz "Ha ha" is in order here.

Reports of Serie A's death have been greatly exaggerated...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I've been telling people that for the last couple of years. In competitions like this, you get blips.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

...Real Madrid are a bunch of wankers...

i think i understand where those words're coming from, and i even sort of agree with the emotion behind those words, b-b-but - it's not the players who are to be accused of "wanking", methinks, the *Real Wanker* is rather that chap with his fat wallet who believes he can buy up any players he'd fancy and thus make the 'greatest team', obv.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

well they WERE the greatest team against Man U, really sublime...i can't quite fathom how they couldn't handle Juventus and how inconsistent they seem to be in the Primera Liga but at least they prove their worth now and then as opposed to not at all - obviously neither is good enough, but they'll be back. i think Juventus are the only team who could do that to them, Lippi is brilliant really and the resolve of the team is admirable, as it was in '96 when they tipped the scales against a mighty Ajax. there's just something a little unsatisfying about how Juve have only played well in their last 3 games and not significantly well at all until the quarter finals - what if the Champions League really WAS a league, where would Juve be? above Man U or Madrid? it almost renders the whole group stage irrelevant for clubs like Juventus because they can turn the tide so rapidly so late on. i just hope the final won't be too cagey now...

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

That was fucking great. The schadenfreude was of a superb vintage.

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate it when underdogs win, because if they they deserved to, they wouldn't be underdogs. That having been said, Juve were not boring and I will support them in the final.

b.R.A.d. (Brad), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't dislike the players, or Perez - it's those who coo all over them cos they've got a Brazilian here, a Brazilian there etc et-fucking-cetera. They're good, but they're not all that. The game tonight proved two things:

1) Football is great because teams like Real Madrid don't win all the time. It's brilliantly uncertain at it's best.

2) Madrid lost cos Davids was magnificent, as were the Juventus midfield. Roy Keane = the reason why Man Yoo went out. He's past it big stylee on a European level.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gosh I take it all back. (Based on ITV's highlghts) I thought Juve were stunning, Davids in particular. Juve's piss-poor showing against U***** put into some sort of perspective. In other words, the early group stages shown up for the expensive irrelevance they are. I shall miss seeing Zizou in the final, because I want to see him play, but, fuck, Juve were outstanding.

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

The official Real Madrid site had this amusing bit in their official report:

There were two minutes left... plus five more minutes of additional time. Kill or die. Raúl pulled all his weapons but missed it in the 94th minute. The tenth cup will have to wait.

Rough words!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 May 2003 01:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

They were sublime b/c Man U abandoned any notion of defence,(weird thing to do in CL semi but it happened) while Juve have the best, or among the best defence in Europe if they have there starters and everyone's healthy. Really there teamwork is better than Madrid, who seemed like they were relying on their rep. Madrid's formation was suicidal and perhaps dumb but I actually think Juve's a better team.

Next year Fido and ZZ are 32 and chubby Ronnie is not cut out for the daily grind. Hell show up in big games but won't carry the team week in week out. Juve are awesome all around.

And Fucking play Rivaldo Morons!

Nicolette, Thursday, 15 May 2003 06:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, Davids was absolutely incredible last night - ditto Nedved and Thuram and for that matter Zambrotta. Made Real look ordinary for the most part.

Also, you could tell Figo was about to miss that penalty from the way he bottled it seconds before kicking.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

How exciting was that last five minutes, though?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

for some reason it always seems more impressive when a team knocks out two clubs from the same country in consecutive games, in this case both Barcelona and Real were knocked out by the same club, as Bayer Leverkusen did last season with Liverpool and Man Utd

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

My prediction up thread was pretty spot on huh. Uhm... anyway, whathtefuck? Madrid were poor while Juve seemed to have peaked at exactly the right time (same old story there). I dunno, Real just didn't seem up for it at all - all the big names seemed pretty unconcerned I thought.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

very exciting stuff last night. I didn't want real to win as their defending (as was shown last night) is really poor. my italian team is AC milan. my brother has always supported juventus.

felt sorry for nedved (sp?).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone see the ITV2 footage at Bar Italia in Soho? Aaah, happy FAP memories (or lack of them).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Have I gone totally insane, or was the ITV coverage heavily floppy-former Liverpool player currently working as a third-string player for Real biased? (I mean, that was never a booking for Nedved now, was it?)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 15 May 2003 09:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Christ John Toshack was on Irish TV, he sounded like he'd eaten 50 bags of weed before the game. It was bizarre.

How many times have you seen a player try and dummy a penalty and fuck it up?


The final Juve goal was sublime. Some great football by Juve throughout actually, obviously the end of the first half in particular. My Del Piero jibes certainly came back to haunt me. I did think it was a foul by Nedved though.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 09:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

you don't see cuper and lippi collapsing with heart failure do you? maybe smoking would calm premiership managers down...

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Juve's piss-poor showing against U***** put into some sort of perspective.

The thing is, Juve weren't piss-poor against United. They didn't play well at home, but at Old Trafford they were pretty impressive. Considering they had half a team out injured they were unlucky to lose (even if United were still better over the two 'legs').

Weirdly enough Juventus actually impressed me more losing to United than Madrid did beating us. You could see the real quality there in the squad, and the solidity. Whereas Madrid, stunning going forward, always looked beatable as I said further up-thread (even if Utd never looked like doing it over the 2 legs).

Which is why the morning after Madrid beat Utd 3-1, and before Juve's first quarter final, I got 8-1 on Juve to win the trophy. OK, Milan still to go, but one of my better recent gambling judgements. (We'll forget about the each-way bet on Ajax placed at the same time.)

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is anyone else amused that Juve could be described (and not insanely) as 'underdogs' in any match? One of the traditional megagiant clubs, and they have just won the Scudetto for the umpteenth time.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 16 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Camacho set to quit Real
Real Madrid coach Jose Antonio Camacho has tendered his resignation after the club's poor start to the season.
Spanish state radio said Camacho had told Real chairman Florentino Perez he was quitting and would resist pressure to reconsider.

Perez said no decision on the coach's future would be taken until an emergency meeting on Monday.

"Everything will be decided at Monday's meeting at the Bernabeu," Perez told the Efe news agency.

Real lost 1-0 at Espanyol on Saturday as their indifferent form continued.

That defeat came hot on the heels of Wednesday's Champions League 3-0 drubbing at Bayer Leverkusen which drew fierce criticism in Spain.


The 49-year-old Camacho has only been in the post since taking over from Carlos Queiroz in May.

He was fired after the nine-times European champions could only reach the last eight of the Champions League last season and finished fourth in La Liga.

Camacho was a stalwart with Real as a player, making more than 400 appearances between 1973-89 and winning nine Spanish league titles, three Spanish Cups and two Uefa Cups.

He won 81 caps for Spain and played in the 1982 and 1986 World Cups.

He is currently in his second stint as coach at Real, where he lasted just three weeks in the summer of 1998 before resigning over a disagreement with former chairman Lorenzo Sanz.

Camacho then went on to coach the Spanish national side for four years, after which he returned to the Bernabeu via a short stint with Portugal's Benfica.


Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/football/europe/3671372.stm

Published: 2004/09/19 22:13:33 GMT

© BBC MMIV

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 20 September 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

have Real Madrid had more coaches in the last ten years than Man City and Crystal Palace combined?

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Sven 4 Real

Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

R5 just reported that he's gone.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Mariano Garcia Remon is the new Real coach, Alba don't scare me like that.

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, maybe Miami.

Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder what El Presidente of 'FC Barcelona' thinks?

Probably that Real's business plan is faulty.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

when the revolution comes, i want the bernabeu bombed to rubble

English cunt read Guardian (imago), Monday, 26 May 2014 00:18 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

Wayne Parnell ✔ @WayneParnell
HALA MADRID. VAMOS!!!!

^^^this guy is now on a dark, dark list

people who support real madrid are the worst savages in the world

imago, Saturday, 20 December 2014 19:30 (nine years ago) link

http://tryingtoohard.org/

Chairman Feinstein (nakhchivan), Saturday, 20 December 2014 19:56 (nine years ago) link

my DN before the bump was a fucking lost classic obv

imago, Saturday, 20 December 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link


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