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I can't believe no-one mentioned Victoria, best climate in canada, not too big and ugly and once you look past the Olde English schtick it has a great personality. It's funny how everybody hates Toronto but stereotypes often occur for a reason ;)

Scott, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

BTW the day Canada becomes part of Amerikkka is the day i move to frickin Uruguay.

Scott, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I love victoria .

anthony, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
A revive: as I needed to add a little something. It is almost fall and I have been feeling all full of Canadian pride. I love where I come from. And hold no grudge against thoughs who do not. I hope you feel the same way about your home. Maybe it has something to do with reassuring international students that they will not freeze to death in a Canadian prairie winter. And explaining the beauty that winter has on the city, and it's people. It's a time to relax, to slow down, and reconnect. When the summer's are short it seems as though every weekend there are plans, activities, and travels. 12 weekends of crammed full stuff, you can barely remember what it was that you did. Then fall comes, sweaters, toques and mitts spill in to the hall. Leaves in the yard crunch under foot as you walk in the now dark morning to work or school. You hope that it doesn't snow for Halloween. Then snow drifts, shorter days and spending whole weekends hunkered in the house with "the god father" trilogy and loads of hot chocolate with marshmallows.
Braving the windchill, driving in whiteouts, and relishing the joy of putting your frozen hands up the backs of loved ones shirts. And counting down the days to spring.
Damn it's great!! But it may not be your cup of tea. But I'll take the whole pot please.

Cold weather, I am ready for ya'

danielle g. (danielle g.), Friday, 19 September 2003 04:37 (twenty years ago) link

I love it too! I'd like to avoid slipping into a Molson Canadian-esque nationalistic type rant but it's hard sometimes. I haven't lived at home for a while and it's true that absence makes the heart grow fonder. I'm from Toronto (the 'burbs actually) but I love all of it. The relaxed vibe on the West coast coupled with those mountains, the dramatic beauty of the East coast, the old world appeal of Montreal and Quebec. I love driving through the praries and experiencing that sense of space that threatens to overwhelm you. I love that the biggest television audience in our nation's history tuned in for a hockey game. Not a royal wedding or a moon landing, a hockey game! In the States people remember where they were when Kennedy was shot. Canadians remember where they were when Henderson scored against the Russians or when they heard that Gretzky had been traded. I love the first day of spring in Canada when people who have been cooped up inside for months explode into the parks and streets in a raucous celebration of life. I love barbequeing in -20C. I love the trees and the lakes and our surprisingly progressive social policies. I'm going back in a few months and I can't wait!

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 19 September 2003 07:39 (twenty years ago) link

just got this email:-

'Rx drugs from Canada.
We have some of the l0west prices for drugs in the world.'

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 19 September 2003 08:04 (twenty years ago) link

J-rock OTM. Why did I move to Singapore, a country with no winter?

Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 19 September 2003 08:21 (twenty years ago) link

You would never regret visiting here , and your wife can shop 'til she drops :)

C'mon, Anthony, even if you don't want to visit Quebec, at least do it for your wife.

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 19 September 2003 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

Toronto is great, anthony. please come and visit. you'll love it.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

I'm in Toronto right now but I'm sick and it's dark & rainy.

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

and I don't really know anyone who disses it, besides the obvious not-a-party-town putdowns

i've been to toronto several times and have had a great time every tim. my demands re music are pretty high and the bars and reastaurants are great. i can't fault the place. would move there tomorrow...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

I'm in Toronto and this is my first winter in Canada. Should I be scared?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

I grew up in Oshawa (45 minutes east of Toronto) and I ended up here in Montreal. I love Montreal, don't get me wrong, but I'm not one of those folks who slags Toronto left right. Toronto is a great place. There's tons of great places to go and do fun stuff and the range of different restaurants and bars is incredible. I happen to enjoy living in Montreal, but I wouldn't slight Toronto just for being Toronto.

There's nothing I hate more than people who move to Montreal from Toronto, start cheering for the Canadiens, and start calling their hometown Tore-on-tow as opposed to Toronno (that's the way it's supposed to be pronounced damnit!!) in an attempt to sound all cool-like.

cybele (cybele), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

Depends where you're from, Chuck. Toronto winters are definitely nowhere near as bad as winters in the rest of Canada (we're as far south as southern Oregon don'tcha know) and there's something about the location here that makes it milder in the city than it is in surrounding areas. If you're from an area that actually had snow in the winters it's not so bad at all, because a lot of the time the snow disappears before too long and though it can get quite cold occasionally, it is often just south of freezing for a lot of the winter. Mostly I find the humidity unbearable, both summer and winter.

As for anthony's irrational hatred for Toronto, I keep trying to convince him that there's a lot of good stuff here, and I'm sure he'd love a lot of it. When I still lived in Manitoba I had the fear about Toronto and thought I'd hate it, but it's actually pretty cool all around.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

I will investigate this Torontonno someday. I'm assuming that's the drunken pronunciation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

location here that makes it milder in the city than it is in surrounding areas.

Lake effect, has a real name but I forget it. If your from Engerland you might find it a bit harsh but Toronto winters are nothing compared to the rest of the country aside from BC supposed winters and Windsor/Sarnia.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

I'm from London, UK (was able if spacey groomsman for nordicskillz at recent wedding -- photos available). Am kind of looking forward to the extreme weather/snow stuff here. In England it's just miserable and grey and cold so your ears fall off.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:56 (twenty years ago) link

In Suss-Kaw-Chew-Wang we like to say Ta-Wanna.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

toronto is to the rest of canada as the united states is to the rest of the world - it's repellant yet unavoidably attractive at the same time to people outside it and torontonians do have a real bewilderment about why anyone would want to live anywhere else which is really distateful - maritimers HATE this in particular i think & quite rightly

(the fact that this thread entitled "canada" ended up largely about toronto should be evidence of why the city is so resented in canada, it's a ballhog not a tugboat)

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:30 (twenty years ago) link

Its bluenosers and newfs who hate it in particular. New Brunswickers just don't seem to care since yu can't drive a snowmobile there. And Im not sure about Islanders, they rarely leave the sandbar.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.prairietumbleweedfarm.com/land.gif

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.rmofpipestone.com/picarialshadow.jpg

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

drunken pronunciation = trannah

gale is stretching the truth up there - spring and fall only happen every 3rd year-or-so in QC, and last about six hours each

jones (actual), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Pardon my metric system, but our fall in SK was approx. 15 minutes.
We went from 35 degrees Celsius to Zero in less than a week.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

But what a glorious 6 hours of maple syrup making those are!

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

They have trees in Sask?

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't Regina the city where every tree you see has been planted by hand?

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

No, of course not silly! Heavens etc. [I was talking about Quebec.]

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't Regina the city where every tree you see has been planted by hand?

yes. but Saskatoon has a man-made mountain.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

Montreal is gorgeous but kind of sleazy. Vancouver I haven't seen in awhile but I hear they've done amazing things with it since I was last there. The people and diversity of Toronto are great, but the architecture there makes no sense. There are all these random high-rise apartment buildings sprinkled around all over the place so your view of anything always seems to be blocked in every direction. It's so claustrophobic. The CN Tower, especially sitting next to the silly Skydome, just looks like a hokey conceit. The entire lakefront seemed wasted; I remember having to walk underneath an overpass to get to it. Not very inviting.

That 16 lane east-west highway is an apocalyptic thing; I'd love to see it at rush hour!

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

Was it a molehill beforehand?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

Is it made out of trash? Can you ski on it?

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

Sleazy? Mtl? Never!

cybele (cybele), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

Kris, they are working on waterfront, its getting alot better over recent years, though Im not the ILXor who should be talking about that. Though i heard they were going so far as to suggest we follow the Big Dig example and go Boston's rooute. Don't think its going to happe.
I never thought about it but I guess you'r talking about the 401, its living hell in rushhour. but nowhere near as bad as the DVP (The Don Valley Parkinglot) in rushour.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

I hate this place.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

But your not in Winnipeg!

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

we don't even have a JK Samson to speak for us.
we are mute.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

plus, we have the goddman western canadian music week next week (it's only 3 days long). what a stinkfest that's gonna be.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:42 (twenty years ago) link

I'd say "well don't go to it, then" but that might not be an option for you.

Well, I'm still aiming at being there the last week of November.

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

How much Nickleback is that gonna be?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

Which is to say, after the stupid football thing, which is cheerfully (and cheesefully) on the cover of the booklet of events that Sask Tourism sent me. (One of the other Sask Tourism booklets has a cover which seriously seems to be advocating polygamy. Or, specifically, polyandry.)

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

Sask Tourism, grey cups and sausage parties!

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

Ach, it's really tiny, but here:

http://www.sasktourism.com/images/ser_fg_2003vacation_57x74.gif
A woman being hugged by two men. One raises a fishing pole in glee.

http://www.sasktourism.com/images/ser_fg_2003events_28x65.gif
Football fans. One is wearing a cheese hat and one is making a blowjob face. (Pass.)

http://www.sasktourism.com/images/ser_fg_maggie_125x80.jpg
She is waiting for your call to get these booklets. If this woman isn't hitched then there is something wrong with the world. We love you, Maggie!

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

how sad is this?
Entertainer of the Year Nominees:
Bif Naked - Essentially Naked
John Mann - Acoustic Kitty
Nickelback - Silver Side Up
Swollen Members - Monsters in the Closet
The Watchmen - Slomotion

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link

Where is Bif Naked from? I thought she was BC material.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

they're all BC except the Watchmen (Nickelback's been in Vancouver for like 6 years).
John Mann is the guy from Spirit of the West.

Honestly, the whole thing embarrasses me. There are going to be a few decent bands at the showcases though. Let me find the posters though...they're frightening...

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.westerncanadianmusicweek.com/images/excitedSide.jpg

the theme is people in suits rejoicing. Like "Yo, slap me some skin, we just ripped off another artist and blamed it on the internet!"

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

"health insurance? for musicians? hahahahahahaha!"
http://www.westerncanadianmusicweek.com/images/dealSide.jpg

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:08 (twenty years ago) link

WTF?

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

Tbf, I do know several (five?) people with American phone plans who predominantly reside in Canada, but they also work regularly in USA and/or are partnered with an American, and divide their time between the two countries

(the poster formerly known as Twitter) (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 16:18 (six months ago) link

Quebec is the exception when it comes to grocery monopolies, but god protect you if you ever need an emergency room

(the poster formerly known as Twitter) (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 11 October 2023 16:19 (six months ago) link

yeah funnily enough we went with Videotron when we moved here because they had a now-discontinued plan where your phone worked the same in the US as it did QC (but using it in ROC meant roaming lmao)

the QC health care system is indeed a disaster

rob, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 16:41 (six months ago) link

Josh, what city & province did this person live in?

Toronto, I believe.

The specifics of the paid maternity leave scheme, iirc, was something like $35k for the year, which the person we know said wouldn't cover their rent.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 19:04 (six months ago) link

Yeah as a single income that would be below the poverty line in Montreal, hence unimaginable in TO

rob, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 19:09 (six months ago) link

yeah in Quebec, the provincial govt gives you paid maternity leave also, which combined with the federal contribution comes to (iirc) 70% of your yearly salary or 80k, whichever is lower. Which I think is pretty good as far as North America goes.

silverfish, Wednesday, 11 October 2023 20:20 (six months ago) link


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