Defend the Indefensible - Alanis Morissette

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HA HA I AM IN THERE oh damn.

Sad, Rejected Dave Coulier (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i didn't like anything off her first album but agree with several people that 'So Pure', 'Thank You' and 'Hands Clean' are good

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"Stinky britches, I got stinky britches..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"Thank You" is astonishing. (haha I have identified another Dan/Ned bifurcation)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed! We must make careful note of this.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll be the first to admit that many of my favorite musicians are guilty of herculean pretentiousness (Jaz Coleman could never be accused of being humble), but I find Alanis to be so incredibly, insufferably earnest and fuckin' HIGH on herself that I can barely put it into words. Indefensible. Indefensible. Indefensible.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

At least she's not Ani DiFranco, Alex!

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Or Fiona Apple (whom I also like but COME ON NOW).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Fiona Apple is great! And she's like Nellie McKay in that her incredible self-obsession and pretentiousness is actually very endearing, whereas with Ani it's a little grating and with Alanis it's bemusing and loopy.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

At least she's not Ani DiFranco, Alex!

Fair point, Ian, but Ani's easier to ignore.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i kinda like how flakey and hoser-ish she is

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

She gives Celine Dion a run for her money in the long-face department

mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Someday someone will work the words "Morrissey" and "Morrisette" into a really funny, bitchy pop song.

mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Hybrid (in that short period when everything they touched turned gold) did a fantastic & huge sounding remix of "So Pure". That's about it though.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

A horse walks into a bar. Barman says, "Alanis, why the long face?"

Piers (piers), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

hands clean is classik.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I like her new haircut.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw her on TV when I couldn't properly hear it and had some pleasing thoughts.

Her appearance at some strange Hyde Park concert that also featured Gary Glitter with The Who meant that one person tried to get our motley breakfast stoned hungover losers there in time to see her. We failed, of course, but had we not tried to see Morissette, we'd probably have missed Dylan too, which was the point of the day.

Ken L OTM. This is worth it.

Acme (acme), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Alanis Morissette songs taught me that I should never have sex with Alanis Morissette.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

that black and white video where the parade goes by behind her? i really like that video a lot. i especially remember some kid in a high-school band walking past in slo-mo and waving all excitedly to the camera from behind alanis. it was a really nice genuine moment.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I find Alanis to be so incredibly, insufferably earnest and fuckin' HIGH on herself that I can barely put it into words.

Alex in NYC OTM (as always).

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

a poor woman's tori amos.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I never really got into her but her "rage" was a lot more believable, tolerable and understandable than a lot of the crap that was plowed into our ears back then. I'm looking at Mr. Rat in a Cage and his fellow whiners here.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

You seem aggrieved.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

No, not really, but at least Alanis had good reason!

danh (danh), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, you know that some people say what is lost can never be saved.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm regretting my exclamation mark. But turning on the radio in the mid-90s meant getting an earful from some rich rocker about how their life is just unbearably, and worse, often existentially hard. At least Alanis had some prick to be pissed at.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I am decidedly not in the habit of cutting extra slack for my fellow Canadians, but "You Oughta Know" is absolutely classic, one of the 15 greatest singles of the '90s, and "Hand In My Pocket" and a coupla others are pretty good too. Most of the rest sucks, but give her credit for having the balls to feature her own crappy harmonica playing on a record.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

I've been scared to find out what she sounds like (I'm sure I've heard her, but I really genuinely don't remember any particular song or even sound), because of the way Shiina Ringo's early music is said to be similar in some ways, but now I find I kind of like "Ironic."

(Why does everything I listen to all sound like it has doumbeks in it? Is it just me?)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 11:20 (fourteen years ago) link

So maybe 90s revival critical reassessment time is at hand.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Is this guy playing a Duesenberg guitar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR6mEu5-egA

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 11:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I think this is okay. A couple other songs were just kind of boring.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 11:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I like "You Oughta Know." I'm relieved to find out what she sounds like, not embarrassed.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 11:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I raise a Zima to the 90s.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 11:33 (fourteen years ago) link

This is wild:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUmQXnBPeb0

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 11:39 (fourteen years ago) link

This is amazing.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 11:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Memorable as image, sexual politics, lyrics, whatever but as music?

Better as music than any of those other things. I like the rhythm and energy and crescendos and so on. I remember this song, but I can't remember at all whether I liked it at the time.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 11:56 (fourteen years ago) link

"How about getting off these antibiotics" is the first line of the song, that's wild.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I think "You Oughta Know" reminds me a bit of Neil Young's "Mr. Soul" (in terms of vocal rhythms, not nec. anything else).

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I love "Thank You" so much :)

Daily Sport Stunna Yasmin Alibhai Brown (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Some of these old Alanis Morissette threads are pretty mean.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link

This shit is fucking awesome. So weird that I am only reconnecting performer and music now.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link

The only ones I really don't like at all so far are the ballads.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:51 (fourteen years ago) link

ILM's poppism in revealed-as-largely-theoretical shockah.

gypsy mothra otm.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link

(at least at the time he made that post.)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:56 (fourteen years ago) link

"Hands Clean" is better than you remember.

cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 May 2010 12:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I like that one. I guess I wasn't including that. Thinking especially of the ballads with piano.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I wasn't going to say it, but since so many people have put down her looks in comments on ILM, I think she's cute.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 May 2010 13:55 (fourteen years ago) link

1995 was a peak year for me being out of touch with anything current (musically) in the English-speaking world, so in some ways the mystery is how I even heard some of these songs. (First half of the year was dominated by not being able to breathe through my nose thanks to sinus problems; the second half was when I tried to recover from being an invalid: taking Brazilian dance classes and that sort of thing.)

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 2 May 2010 01:35 (fourteen years ago) link

You Oughta Know that you made me imagine 1970-era Burton Cummings singing that song.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 00:15 (three years ago) link

Burton has a light touch next to Alanis: "You Oughta Know" would need Rare Earth or Blood, Sweat & Tears or the Ides of March.

clemenza, Friday, 9 April 2021 00:38 (three years ago) link

OK, it's not necessary to bring out the big guns.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 00:41 (three years ago) link

Actually, I was never bothered by her vocal affectations - they seemed a lot more playful and eccentric than the oversouling of Clayton-Thomas or Joplin.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 01:51 (three years ago) link

I’ve been in a room with her twice (once professional, once incidental). She seemed cool both times.

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Friday, 9 April 2021 01:57 (three years ago) link

One can't say that about Burton Cummings.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 02:06 (three years ago) link


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