CaBla's already happening. you cant stop it, Hu2 (pronounced like hutu)
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
AnDicCla
― A Made Man In The Mellow Mafia (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
I didn't get the sense that Woody Allen has ever been to the San Francisco
yeah he missed all the best clam joints for sure
― chinavision!, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
"Yo! Youz guys wanna go get sum clams?!" San Franciscan, 2013
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link
this was such a stupid movie
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
Film critics inspired by the insufferably conspicuous prose of - wait for it - Zadie Smith: D or D?
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 30 August 2013 17:15 (ten years ago) link
Alfred review's OTM.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 03:29 (ten years ago) link
i didn't think this was terrible. i thought jasmine's arc was compelling, if in a formulaic nu-woody allen way, ie it turns out that she was never that far off in her own private dream world after all, and the main lie she tells herself is that she is not dealing with or facing reality. it's the kind of story issac from manhattan would have written. blanchett's acting was compelling as well, i thought, and seemed way more sophisticated/knowing than the film itself. the working class caricatures in this movie, however, were pretty egregious and unfunny, and in general the way this film dealt with the cultural barriers created by wealth seemed really hackneyed and inauthentic.
i am easy though and was ready to like this movie during the part where jasmine assumes her two urchin nephews would be familiar with the song Blue Moon.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 03:49 (ten years ago) link
Do you mean "until the part..."?
― Josefa, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 03:53 (ten years ago) link
no i thought that was funny
― Treeship, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 03:54 (ten years ago) link
I love how the DP managed to make you forget about the Bay Area, while filming the Bay Area. That was impressive.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 4 September 2013 03:57 (ten years ago) link
surprising! 5/5 from The Graun http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/sep/19/blue-jasmine-review
― piscesx, Thursday, 19 September 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link
i liked it
― akm, Sunday, 22 September 2013 15:20 (ten years ago) link
and what I liked about it is that it indirectly addresses a question I often have when witnessing mentally ill homeless people: where are their families? how do they end up utterly alone?
― akm, Sunday, 22 September 2013 15:21 (ten years ago) link
Oh is that where homeless people come from...
― polyphonic, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
There's an unspoken rule that those who buy Louis Vuitton bags will end up homeless and talking to themselves iirc
― first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
Neither, don't be ridiculous. I mean within the context of this story, it explains to you why this person would wind up in a situation where she has no family support.
― akm, Sunday, 22 September 2013 18:48 (ten years ago) link
i liked this, it reminded me a little of 'after leaving mr. mackenzie' by jean rhys.
― estela, Sunday, 22 September 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link
the working class caricatures in this movie, however, were pretty egregious and unfunny, and in general the way this film dealt with the cultural barriers created by wealth seemed really hackneyed and inauthentic.
damn i actually thought the juxtaposition of not just explicit class signifiers but mannerisms, language, poise was on point. ginger & chilliesp, i guess the credit really goes to the actors but compared to, like, small time crooks, where they just seem dumb for the sake of making dumb jokes, i thought it really nailed it, lots of empathy to go around. missed his chance at making it more ows by characteristically underwriting all the alec baldwin finance stuff but whatever
You have to accept Cate Blanchett playing a loony bird like a Carol Burnett sketch and -- get this -- that a woman her age needs computer lessons.
i thought the joke was that the whole premise of her taking the lessons to take an online course was so convoluted & absurd... but upon further reflection, woody allen prob has nfi how to use a computer
― flopson, Monday, 23 September 2013 04:51 (ten years ago) link
Loved this, I tried not to let all the ‘his best picture since x’ talk get my hopes up, because people always say that about his movies, but I thought this was genuinely good, not just ‘good for a 2013 Woody Allen film’ good.
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 19:42 (ten years ago) link
I thought there were things that have felt kind of awkward in his recent films that really worked here, like this shakiness to the tone, that it’s in this uncomfortable place between being comedic and horrifying.
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 19:43 (ten years ago) link
It's good to get some contrarian opinions here. So you didn't object to how misconceived Blanchett's character was?
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 September 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link
I like the way everyone is talking over each other, talking across purposes- like Jasmine’s conversation with people that are really just monologues… but even in the scene when she meets the state department guy, when they’re talking to each other it’s like they’re both delivering monologues about their own life, but not really connecting except in the sense that they can use each other as a prop in their own fantasies, I thought that was conveyed well, the first thing he says to her is something like ‘you don’t want to be in either?’ and he says she was like a wish come true or that it was written in the stars or something, they recognise this quality in each other that they both want to live in a fantasy and are willing to block out unpleasant truths that get in the way? So when he chews her out after he finds out she’s being lying about her past it seems hypocritical, he was just as willing to engage in this fantasy.
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 19:53 (ten years ago) link
The scene where she confronts Baldwin after she finds out about his affairs is kind of like this as well, the sense that they're talking past each other, talking about what this will mean for their own lives rather than their relationship which is just like this void.
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
misconceived? I think of Woody Allen's characters tend to feel sort of stagey and unnatural but I thought it worked well here.
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
‘you don’t want to be in here either?’
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link
I remember reading something somewhere arguing that he stopped being able to write compelling female characters after the Mia Farrow split, and pointing out that female characters in the post '93 films tend to be either 2d castrating bitches, prostitutes or crazy.
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 20:13 (ten years ago) link
Why is this so much better that much of his recent work? Is it just that he’s found a subject that’s compelling to him, like semi-autobiographical in terms of being about someone who’s had this very public fall from grace and is estranged from their son?Is it tacky to read a film in terms of the personal life of its director?I was thinking of Blanchett’s character as the Woody analogue in this, but the scene where she meets her stepson again and he tells her he hates her more than his father for being the one who exposed everything, could you see it as a fantasy where she stands in for Farrow, and their child rejects her, with Woody as the departed dead father, neatly deceased rather than still existing as this awkward reminder? I don’t know, maybe this is a tacky way to talk about a film.Is this a common terror of people who go from a working class background to the ranks of the super wealthy, that it could all get taken away from you and you wake up back in some pokey flat with your loud, uncouth family? That feeling of it all being not quite real?
― that is how ghosts laugh (bends), Saturday, 28 September 2013 21:14 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/11/21/philip-chism-accused-raping-murdering-danvers-high-teacher-colleen-ritzer/5bcPieUo0n6R3fyYqRTxWN/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw
Investigators believe that after abandoning the body — taking Ritzer’s credit cards, iPhone, and underwear with him — Chism walked to a nearby movie theater where he bought a ticket to an afternoon showing of Woody Allen’s “Blue Jasmine.”
― johnny crunch, Friday, 22 November 2013 12:33 (ten years ago) link
Mixed bag. Cate, Sally, Stuhlbarg, Dice, CK all solid. Woody can't write saucy banter, as the Sarsgaard-Cate meeting scene is a horrific rerun of Johannson-Rhys-Meyers in Match Point. And all the scenes w/ Bobby Cannavale, both the acting and the writing are just way off -- the tone is completely off the rails in that grocery store confrontation with Hawkins, which is sposed to be for laughs I guess.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 December 2013 03:30 (ten years ago) link
and yes Alfred, I'm sure there are Park Ave hoes who don't know how to turn on a computer.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 December 2013 03:32 (ten years ago) link
I thought Blanchett achieved a certain level of pathos (which Carol Burnett also frequently did btw)
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 December 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
Woah, Carol Burnett is in this?!
― a fifth of misty beethoven (cryptosicko), Thursday, 12 December 2013 04:07 (ten years ago) link
Agree with most of Dr. Morbius' commentary (that grocery store scene was terrible) but "mixed bag" is pretty high praise for a Woody flick in 2014 for me, I liked it.
― dmr, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
Is it tacky to read a film in terms of the personal life of its director?I was thinking of Blanchett’s character as the Woody analogue in this
I think I found this likable partly (largely?) because it was easier NOT to think of the main character as a Woody Allen analogue. Most of his male main characters feel like puppets delivering "stock Woody lines" imo.
― dmr, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:56 (ten years ago) link
lately I mean
― dmr, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
Thought cannavale's character pleasingly layered relative to most of the others tbh, or maybe pleasingly unlayered perhaps, the clumsy stitching of clumsy layers being a major problem here.
blanchett was pretty good playing such a second rate blanche tho
dice clay had a nice turn.
Dentist scenes were awful. Everything with lokilike was awful.
overall, not as good as, say, sideways
― politically autocorrect (darraghmac), Sunday, 2 March 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link
I've been wanting to believe that the 21st Century Woody films were that point in the year when an annoying relative stops the family meal to show you pictures of their vacation or whenever you receive a family newsletter included with a holiday card. You're compelled to watch and take it seriously, but you don't really expect anything out of it. I don't get the weird defender cult he has, but maybe that's eventually what happens to anyone who becomes an Institution. Just be suspicious of anyone saying "it's their best since..." It's the mantra of the nostalgia cult.
Of course Allen doesn't know what to do with good actors, because he's utterly dependent on them to save the movie. Is Allen even engaged with his work anymore? I honestly can't tell.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 11 April 2014 06:14 (ten years ago) link
Blue-collar San Francisco makes Blue Jasmine as much a fantasy as Midnight In Paris
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 11 April 2014 06:15 (ten years ago) link
worst film of 2013
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 April 2014 10:53 (ten years ago) link
this was not as horribly unwatchable as I expected
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 July 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
Way better than "To Rome With Love", that's for sure.
― o. nate, Monday, 21 July 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link
so many of his recent films have been so poorly constructed, sloppily underwritten, aimless, painful to sit through - I was surprised when this didn't put me to sleep, even with all of its wrong notes and weird idiosyncrasies.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 July 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
can't help but lol at things like New Jersey accent = working class! "let's get sum CLAMS" indeed
― Οὖτις, Monday, 21 July 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link
there's a new woody out in a few weeks, hadn't heard a thing about it until I saw the movie poster in a theater.
― akm, Monday, 21 July 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
thought this was quite compelling and pleasurable except (as other upthread have also noted) for the wildly off-base attempt to do "san francisco working class"- why they had these bizarrely off / cartoonish ways of speaking and acting complete with a weird Jersey-Shore-goes-to-North-Beach thing was just baffling to me- does Woody Allen not get out of Manhattan ever? does he just not know any actual, uh, poor peopl? but when that wasn't happening, this movie delivered some tough / strong stuff. Weirdly Tennessee Williams-ish, actually.
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 06:11 (nine years ago) link
Did you learn about computers from a course
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 10:59 (nine years ago) link
does he just not know any actual, uh, poor peopl?
I'd guess he almost certainly hasn't done for some decades.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 11:25 (nine years ago) link
Maybe part of the cartoonish disconnect is that Sally Hawkins is actually English
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 11:28 (nine years ago) link
I took this to be a signal that it was hopeless for Blanchett, because I was feeling generous.
― You are exactly why people root for the apes (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 12:41 (nine years ago) link
Yes, his cultural disconnect matches up nicely with this character.
All of Woody's working-class males match the "It's for my bruddah" autograph seeker inAnnie Hall.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 13:52 (nine years ago) link
Allen grew up in working class Brooklyn, but he has seemed to spare little thought for it since leaving. Manhattan always exuded the powerful gravitational pull for him that it often does for outer-borough aspiring artist types. New York in his movies is mostly synonymous with the Manhattan cultural elite.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link
In this interview I linked in the general WA thread, he says that "living in New York has got to be made practical for the middle class," but lays emphasis on Manhattan rather than Brooklyn, which in his standup routine 50 years ago he called "the very Heart of the Old World."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/18/woody-allen-on-magic-in-the-moonlight-the-crisis-in-gaza-new-york-city-and-those-allegations.html
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 14:40 (nine years ago) link
This was disappointing. I was one of those people who said "Midnight in Paris" was the best Woody film since.... It had charm and a magic to it. Yes, it was fluffy but entertaining fluff nevertheless. I always commend anyone for trying to make an IMPORTANT FILM about the fallout from the recession but this never convinced me at all. The writing and characterization was pretty shaky. Did anyone else think it was ridiculous that Sarsgaard's character proposed to her after what seemed like a week? Allen has no idea how to write working-class characters either. They all looked and sounded like they stepped off of the set of Jersey Shore. Cate Blanchett was terrific though.
― tayto fan (Michael B), Saturday, 18 July 2015 13:11 (eight years ago) link
* drinks from glass of vodka clutched in shaking hand *
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 July 2015 13:16 (eight years ago) link
*pops a pill*
― tayto fan (Michael B), Saturday, 18 July 2015 13:20 (eight years ago) link