I get the same flattering-your-audience-is-not-humor hives that i get when reading tom tomorrow
flattering? these horribly formed "jokes" are largely mocking the subsets of people who'd know the reference points at all
― HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
really, you think so?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:16 (ten years ago) link
i guess it depends which cartoon
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:17 (ten years ago) link
ok yeah this is just stupid and offensive. what an asshole.
http://greatmomentsinleftism.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-08-23T10:04:00-07:00&max-results=1&start=8&by-date=false
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:18 (ten years ago) link
i mean, that dude exists. i've picketed with him.
― HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link
oh, they mean self-styled "organizers," not legit organizers, i guess.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
when your local fast food strike is made up of a dozen SEIU employees holding down second jobs as fry cooks so they can go on strike you meet a lot of that dude.
― HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link
and i'm not saying that sort of thing is without merit etc etc
again, just like despairing pain of recognition here
― HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:31 (ten years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:29 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also yes
― HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 15:44 (ten years ago) link
i thought like three of them were funny cuz of what hoos says. the solidarity one hurt a little. the north korea one doesn't make a whole lot of sense; north korea is not the 30s ussr and in my experience the western left is not under any illusions about it. that's the only one that really felt like outsider reactionary hostility to me tho. they are indifferently drawn.
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:25 (ten years ago) link
in my experience the western left is not under any illusions about it.
ha
wish this were true in my experience
guy i produce a program for has been known to post ~support anti-imperialist DPRK against capitalist running dogs~ links
― HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link
this one made me lol just for non-sequitur
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kPmk4LNoF1o/UgkYkUqkhDI/AAAAAAAAAAM/Vb-a9S0ClGU/s640/001.png
― HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
haha was half expecting you to say that re: dprk. still neglected to knock on wood.
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 19 September 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
The Agency of Left Sects and table w/ Trot, Stalinist, anarchist are truthbombs.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 19 September 2013 18:41 (ten years ago) link
every article i've read is just full of the kind of hyperbole (ALL THOSE WHO ACCEPT TIPS ARE SLAVES!!) that the authors no doubt picked up from all the French theorists they've been skimming.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:07 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
to be fair to jacobin that article had lots more to do with the author (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Svenonius) than the general tone of the mag.
the 'nation' thing really smarts because you get this sense it likes to pretend to play nastier and lefter and smarter and younger and more r-r-radical and etc except then you have an editor going off and being a boring columnist for in these times on the side and etc.
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Thursday, 19 September 2013 19:11 (ten years ago) link
I like some of what I've read in Jacobin but I can't tell exactly what they're going for other than "we're smarter"
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 September 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
everyone is so afraid to have a program these days
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 September 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link
did everybody read the jacobin editor's "letter to The Nation"
http://www.thenation.com/article/174476/letter-nation-young-radical#axzz2fMtlXfTd
― HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link
jacobin def have a program
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
i mean, more than any mag i know. we're smarter maybe a part of it but that doesn't describe it entirely
critique of social-democracy and left-liberal policy solutions from the left, opposition to neoliberal education reform movement (charter schools, privatization) and recently concrete engagement in ctu strike, democratic socialism (influencing democratic party from the left by running candidates in primaries), harnessing technology & automation to bring about post-work socialist utopia, left unity. all of these are positions are consistently supported every issue. and i would even say rather than picking up ideas from french theorists they're riding the critical theory kickback by having dudes like vivek chibber criticize postcolonial theory from an old school marxist pov
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:40 (ten years ago) link
jacobin magazine
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:41 (ten years ago) link
basically, grad school leftism
― Spectrum, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link
can u elab on that?
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:44 (ten years ago) link
aving dudes like vivek chibber criticize postcolonial theory from an old school marxist pov
― Spectrum, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link
are those all things that left wing ppl in grad school are well-known supporters of
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:45 (ten years ago) link
given the criticism from left academics sympathetic to poco that interview got, i'm guessing that position's not representative
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
same shit, different side
― Spectrum, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
...
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:48 (ten years ago) link
laughed at a couple of these but tbh i found myself going "wtf is the joke?" at most of them. drawing is shitty and incompetent even by the low standards of "badly drawn internet comic strip."
a lot of stuff in jacobin comes off as pretty callow and snotty, but they have run some pretty excellent stuff. would still rather read them than the nation or really pretty much any other explicitly 'left' publication -- at least jacobin hires ppl who can write.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 19 September 2013 20:48 (ten years ago) link
"hires"
oh ffs whatever you think of the politics the nation has much more competent writers purely from the standpoint of writing-as-craft, and the baffler puts both to shame.
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link
who cares tbh
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:20 (ten years ago) link
well i care because i find the bad writing alternately hilarious and maddening and i like to think about quality of writing a fair amount.
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link
it also helps to distinguish between wrong ideas and actively stupid ideas.
(the latter being more prone to only be expressible in actively stupid prose)
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:25 (ten years ago) link
i guessi just think criticizing a text "from the standpoint of writing-as-craft" is a pretty stupid idea. most things i've ever read in all three were competently written
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:25 (ten years ago) link
competent is a great bar to set for something you seek out to read voluntarily when you could be doing other things with your time
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link
dude... lol
anyways your critique is lacking in specifics wanna provide some examples
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link
also to the extent you're criticizing something _only_ as a text, is there anything but "the standpoint of writing-as-craft"
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:27 (ten years ago) link
the nation doesn't have the establishment jr. vibe of jacobin. that counts for something.
― Spectrum, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:27 (ten years ago) link
jfc where do u come up with this shit
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:27 (ten years ago) link
(xp)
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:28 (ten years ago) link
― flopson, Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:27 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i dunno ask the guys at jacobin i bet they learned all the references in grad school, lol
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:29 (ten years ago) link
you're coming off really butthurt rn for no explicable reason... what's the bfd?
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:32 (ten years ago) link
just two bros, zinging, nbd
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:33 (ten years ago) link
...idgi
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:34 (ten years ago) link
there needs to be a comic about this exact argument
― dan m, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:34 (ten years ago) link
what's with ppl hating on grad school btw? like why is "grad school" considered an adequate dismissal of something?
― flopson, Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link
fuckin ivory tower intellectuals with their smooth hands
― HOOS it because...of steen???? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 19 September 2013 21:45 (ten years ago) link