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jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post where does Mimi Rogers fit into this theory?)

same religion (at the time at least)?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

'How does Nicole Kidman look anything like him? The red hair? The pointy nose? The tits? '

their facial features (the eyes especially) are actually very similar if you look closely. the nose is different, true.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been on a minor tom cruise kick as of late. I enjoyed viewing Days of Thunder and Top Gun back to back. I like very much the specific kind of Cruise star vehicle these movies establish. Arrogant ambitious young turk has to overcome his fears, learn from a father figure and win the love of a woman.
I liked Jerry Maguire and Magnolia as far as exploring the Cruise archetype in greater depth
but Vanilla Sky was embarrassing for director Cameron Crowe's adoration of Cruise and I don't think I would be able to tolerate The Stoic humourless borefest Last Samurai.
The biggest problem with Cruise now, I think, is that he has yet to complete the Top Gun, Days of Thunder, trilogy. This would be my prefered next career move for him. Although I can't currently think of a decent, new Top Gun-ish story for him to star in.

theodore fogelsanger, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Last Samurai was okay, mainly for Ken Watanabe, who seems pretty awesome.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Cozen's thing doesn't work as a "defend the indefensible thing" and i don't think its meant to be that. Cruise is addictive to watch in a way because he is so vacuous although i probably never realised it. He is Narcissistic perhaps but it doesn't make him hard to watch in that way that someone like Kevin Spacey is and i think that's becuase he has a pretty decent sense of humour about himself and gives his co-actors the space to do their thing too, unlike Spacey (about whom Nemo on the "i Hate Kevin Spacey" thread said "he looks like he practices his lines in fron of the mirror instead of with other actors" OTM OTM!). I reckon Cozen is probably quite (rightly) obsessed with Tom.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

you wouldn't say obsessed.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

it might work as 'defend &c.' but it wasn't meant like that.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i kinda meant fascinated rather than obsessed, sorry: I mean you did respond to that post rather quickly.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i haven't seen a movie with him in it for a longggg time except for minority report which was tolerable for about an hour and then became a typical hollywood POS.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
okay enough with focus on the smile, ok.

thomas cruise mapother IV.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I will not rest until he is at the centre of everything.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, maybe i would say obsessed.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I only revived this thread because I was getting (irrationally?) riled at the cruise hate on the collateral thread. anyone else like him?

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I've become quite fascinated with Mr. Cruise lately. He was on Leno the other night and was talking about how he ran with the Olympic torch. Leno asked him how long he ran for. Simple question, but Cruise couldn't answer it. He tensed up and laughed nervously, scanning the audience as if to say, "Can you believe he's asking me this?" He said, "How am I supposed to..." between chuckles and flashes of his grin. It was weird. It looked like he was hiding something.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Cozen: I'm not sure if I like Cruise, but I don't like kneejerk Cruise hate.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

He made Collateral very enjoyable for me.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't have any problems.

even when he is shit he is watchable and I can't really tell when he is shit, any longer.

maybe I am just good at avoiding films I would like him less in--vanilla sky and stuff.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't hate tom cruise, but there is something about his presence in a film that guarantees a spoiling of any reality effect. he has sort of transcended adjectives, or observation for that matter--he isn't handsome, he's tom cruise. he isn't charming, he's tom cruise. i don't think having him "play against type" even really works.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like kneejerk Cruise hate.

I pretty much hate him, but I wouldn't call it kneejerk. It's not a reflex, it's an opinion that took years of gathering evidence to build. I've seen almost all of his movies, and I just... don't... LIKE the guy. Not as an actor, not as a person. And yet I still go to see his movies. If anything's kneejerk, it's the impulse toward self-abuse.

Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

there's something vacuum-like about him. i can't bring myself to hate him, because i can't really fathom him.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

you must like him, in a way, if he give you the wanking impulse.

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RJG (RJG), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm down with TC.

na (Nick A.), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Wanking isn't abuse, it's fighting prostate cancer. I KNOW we've been over this.

Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

is it a weird thing to say, when someone says i. 'I don't find his roles believable' when you believe he is smug, smarmy and smiley and when most of his roles, the parts he plays, are like that (s, s, and s)?

what is it about him?

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the trouble is that I believe he's really like that, but I don't believe he's really acting.

Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

but c0zen i think he's played a very wide variety of roles (especially recently)--but to me, whatever characteristics are present in the role, are somehow independent of or simply marginal to the qualities cruise brings to the role as a presence. those latter qualities are often vague and difficult to describe, but the feeling i get from them is not one of admiration or loathing, just confusion.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yes part of it is that in interviews, etc. he comes across as excessively mannered and self-conscious, like a politican.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean he has a full repertoire of "folksky" or "intimate" gestures which seem entirely crafted, un-spontaneous.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

But his glimmering chompers!

na (Nick A.), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

(and pssst, amateurist, that's called acting)

na (Nick A.), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what's called acting? and who's whispering in my ear?

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with you, amtrst, about 90%. Only difference is that I *would* call it loathing. That could just be me, though. I think I sympathize with Nicole too much.

Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

is it a problem that he's not acting? that's a (bigger) different question.

I've not seen so many of his interviews and if I try to think of what he looks like being interviewed I get 'the stock smile' or his 'uncomfortable consternation' looking back at me. those are just images not memories. in fact, I'm not sure, have I any memories of tom cruise? probably definitely so it would be silly for me to argue fr his images over my memories. well, not entirely but I won't. I always think of him as insecure but always remember him as outgoing, confident, good look-ing.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Acting = the crafting of folksy gestures. Look it up.

na (Nick A.), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

that was me talking to myself.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Amateurist SOOOOO OTM. He's frightening but bewitching somehow. Cruise that is.

Jaymc's story about Leno kinda sums up the confusion i feel about him.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

See, I agree with a lot of what you've said, which is why I find the guy so damn fascinating. It's much easier for me to hate someone who I find just plain dull or untalented.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i think of his stage laugh, which he pulls out in interviews: slight cock of the head, "ha's" in perfect intervals of 0.46 seconds, and then a corrective lowering of the head/returning of the mouth and brow to "expectant thoughtful position" in 2.87 seconds.

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i mean yeah, i was being a little hyberbolic. i can see him as good looking and sexy and all that.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i find him fascinating in exactly the way i find bigtime politicans fascinating, there's all this obviou ambition and talent at work but, one also wonders, perhaps a certain cynicism/shallowness/emptiness.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

also he is very talented too.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know about emptiness. I think he's wound too tight. He could snap at any moment. Like jed said, frightening.

Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

no, i'm sure the "emptiness" is just an illusion (dude why am i now hearing the four tops' "reach out--i'll be there" in my head?!) created by the mass of publicity he does.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

interpol, "no-one's empty".

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

he's not VERY talented but he has something.

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well Madchen put it more succinctly upthread:

He doesn't look like a zombie so much as he looks like he's always concealing the desire to launch across a room and beat someone to death with their own shoes.

more xposts

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

If we didn't know he was a Sci3nt0l0gist would we still feel he was unnaturally self-controlled? He seems that way to me too, but I wonder how much I'm filling in from that knowledge.

Also, I saw him on a different talk show recently where he started laughing uncrollably for a good minute, if not more, and when he tried to speak he couldn't. I wasn't paying enough attention beforehand to know the context or to understand what was going on when he finally was able to talk, but that was a definite chink in the armor moment.

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

That was Melissa who said the bit about the shoes!

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry melissa!

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

You're suck a dick, jed.

Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

oh i totally missed this thread. bravo cozen

(it's midnight for now tho, but later)

cruise's magnolia = von trier's five obstructions?


prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 12 August 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't see how keeping her eyes open during a kiss helps tbh

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 10:39 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle has a trenchant joke that encapsulates the fundamental arrogance of so much American war cinema: “American foreign policy is horrendous 'cause not only will America come to your country and kill all your people, but what's worse, I think, is that they'll come back 20 years later and make a movie about how killing your people made their soldiers feel sad.” Doug Liman's American Made, a rollicking comedy based on the drug-smuggling, gun-running, contra-funding exploits of C.I.A.-backed pilot Barry Seal (Tom Cruise), represents a discomfiting corollary: Not only will America attempt to destabilize your country with insidious covert ops, they'll come back decades later and make a movie about how much fucking fun it was.

https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/american-made

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 September 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link

nine months pass...

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/jul/05/the-top-20-tom-cruise-movies-ranked

'War of the Worlds' below 'Cocktail' and 'Days of Thunder' is certainly an interesting take.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 6 July 2018 14:01 (five years ago) link

8. Minority Report (2002)
Cruise and Spielberg should, by rights, be as natural a combination as bread and butter, and yet Minority Report is the only truly satisfying movie they have made together.

The only one out of...two

omar little, Friday, 6 July 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

this is genuinely the greatest scene ever committed to film

pic.twitter.com/VZXRJctPcc

— velma 🐀 (@maggotmagick) June 23, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 June 2022 17:34 (one year ago) link


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