Pitchfork's Chris Ott takes No Prisoners

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I thought the Spin Doctors would be #1!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

or let me put it this way: when people refer to other people as being "less cynical than thou" it's usually a dodge, a way of equating cynicism with a differing viewpoint. that may not necessarily be what you're trying to do here but it certainly comes across that way--hundreds of readers who like what you're doing vs. the people who post here who don't like what you're doing. fine--writing criticism is a divisive act, anyone who does it regularly has to be open to dealing with the consequences of it. I just think it's faulty reasoning to assume "they like it" = "they're not cynical and/or "they don't like it" = "they are cynical."

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

That's a pretty convenient translation of my statement, Mike, allows you to be right! Ridiculously presumptuous and arrogant. The lack of cynicism I hear from outside your sphere is evident in the content of the emails I get, not their mere existence (or their positivity). I'm not offended that you think I'm that stupid, but I'm somewhat embarrassed to find that you are.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

Chris. Hand. Penis. Scab.

Pick it off, maaaannnnn.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

OMG CRITICISM IS MASTURBATION ANALOGY SHOCKA.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, I just thought your article was shitty. You can keep the scabs.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

Carey: you are part of my readership. That is our relationship. If you think I concern myself with your take on things, you're seriously overestimating your place in this world.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

there are many, many more things you should be embarrassed about, Chris, like the fact that you've managed to interpret a speculative paragraph that announces that it's a speculative paragraph ("that may not necessarily be what you're trying to do here, but it certainly comes across that way" pretty clearly states this is one person's opinion, and that the one person is allowing for the fact that they might be wrong) as some kind of arrogant presumption. also, this is as much your sphere as it is mine--you participate on this thread, you're as much part of it as I am.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

Chris, your webzine might have (had?) a column called "We Are the World" but that doesn't mean you should actually go around acting like it's true. Grow the fuck up.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

Does this mean I don't ever get to write for Pitchfork?

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

We have more readers than SPIN, Mikey. Sit the fuck down.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:13 (twenty years ago) link

Carey: you are part of my readership. That is our relationship. If you think I concern myself with your take on things, you're seriously overestimating your place in this world.

So hold on... you're calling other people arrogant?

― wanksta, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

Right, that gives you the right to assume the arrogance you accuse others of. How quickly I forgOtt.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, that is a truly cosmic level of arrogance right there!

Glad I'm not one of those hundreds of people writing to you!

― onanist, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

It's not arrogance, it's a fact.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

xpost

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

My head hurts.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

I'm dying to see the audit on this one.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

also, is having more readers than Spin at this point really something to brag about? Spin's readership has been shrinking for a while now, I'm not sure where the pride comes in there

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

this thread is very funny.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

like a hundred dogs, ned.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:18 (twenty years ago) link

Mine too, Ned...the pre-KMKMKM flipsides are so bad-- is it really worth it? Let's hope "Carnage Visors" is on there and not the Faith reissue.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

chis if popular really DID mean good then pitchfork's whole worldview would collapse anyway.

I am so quoting you next time i mount a britney spears defense -- "She gets thousands of letters from kids WAY less cynical than YOU! Like she gives a damn what you think you insignificant punk.""

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:20 (twenty years ago) link

I find the "more readers than Spin" claim a bit hard to swallow.

I check Pitchfork (and Stylus) in the morning, glance at what's being reviewed and maybe once a week read part of one of them. Am I getting counted in that readership? Do I get counted 20 times a month, since I check weekday mornings?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:20 (twenty years ago) link

Message to Chris Ott's "fans": he doesn't give a fuck about you. You are beneath him. Except inasmuch as you're useful when he wants to diss people who criticize him.

― jackmeoff, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

free internet vs. paid magazine. hmmm.

hey, everyone! this thread's title has turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy! it's not arrogance, it's a fact!

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

DO people who browse SPIN at the dry cleaners COUNT?!?!?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

(haha, "it's not arrogance, it's a fact" becomes an ILx meme starting NOW)

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

Chris honestly you have as much taste and charm as brent but none of the smarts.o

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

All complaints from jealous writers shocka.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

Jealous?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:24 (twenty years ago) link

i have never ever seen someone who knows so much about the ass-end of the early 90s!

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:24 (twenty years ago) link

Ninth recycling of "early 90s" jab from Jessplatestylee shocka.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

yes, I'm jealous you got to write a book for that 33 1/3 series and were honorably mentioned in that new Da Capo anthology. oh wait.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

"You are part of my readership. That is our relationship. If you think I concern myself with your take on things, you're seriously overestimating your place in this world."

I think this should be your sig file.

― godownslow, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

No, Matty, you're just jealous of my looks. One word: Atkins.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:26 (twenty years ago) link

That showed him.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

that's how you win an argument?

(ha xpost)

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

you know, for a guy who doesn't give a fuck about ILxdom, you sure as fuck seem like you're obsessed with me. I mean, I've never seen you. but you've seen me! how does that work again? oh yeah, I'm beneath you in the scheme of thing. gotcha.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

scheme of thingS

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

chris ott: some panda talking.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

i'm jealous of all the... oh nevermind.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

Shouldn't the title of this thread be "Pitchfork's Chris Ott Lets One Seep Out".

Hey Ott, I just invited you to be my friendster. HOOOOTTTTTT!

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

Mr Ott -- Maybe if you were a bit more ACCURATE with your critiques, we'd be a bit more understanding. But, you're not.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

alex is jealous coz chris gets to write for the most prestigious new york weekly glossy publi... oh wait.Ã¿

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:31 (twenty years ago) link

Cut the wolfing pal, I know plenty of people who know and revile your fat, frustrated ass. Let's stop pretending what gets said on the Internet is reality, we both box in the same class. The pseudo-intellectual coddling that goes on around this place is just homoerotic. When will you accept yourselves?

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:31 (twenty years ago) link

Ott's comebacks are so breathtakingly LAME that...God...I'm overcome with this weird desire to field him some insults just so he won't look like such a nine-year old.

This is just...fuck.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

chris if we didn't accept the internet as reality you would write NOWHERE.Ë™

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

I know plenty of people who revile me as well, too. Again, what is your point?

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

I rather enjoyed the article and it is rather accurate.

....but the Amps! Pacer is awesome. And I was sort of wondering where the Spin Doctors and Gin Blossoms were.

― ham on rye (ham on rye), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

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― flappy bird, Monday, 3 July 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link

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― Leslie “POLLS” Hartley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link

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