"UK GARAGE, MY ARSE!" '50 Ways The Alternative Nation is Fighting Back' 13th anniversary POLL

mark s, you're not Mark Sutherland, are you?
― Johnathan, Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:00 AM (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I feel another spasm building.
― mark s, Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:00 AM (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^apparently asked in earnest

hahaha

50. YOU LOT

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Time_youcover01.jpg

Anyone want to explain 36. THE CROCKETTS’ ARMY BUS ?

not a cover of the Who classic, but likely to have the same incendiary impact that song had in 1965, except without the 'why don't you all f-f-fade away' cop out, of course. Nah, in 2013 Durst tells it like it is: 'we don't, we don't give a fuck and we won't, we won't give a fuck until, you, you give a fuck about me, and my generation'

Thinking about it, as this was 2000 Melody Maker it would have actually been 'we don't, we don't give a f*** and we won't, we won't give a f*** until, you, you give a f*** about me, and my generation'.

had to star it to protect your maiden aunt

tbh it's completely understandable that a weekly music publication pitched at young-ish readers shd need to form a constituency and to define itself partly with a spurious oppositional stance.

was thinking about this the evening before last while waiting for a train iirc - can't really think of a solid example of the newsstand music press trying to do this since then. the NME (Kerrang too I think) has had various punchbag bands that have arisen because they've become uncool and/or they've had some pissy argument with them, but nothing that really comes close to having ~wider cultural implications~ or whatever. I guess because they increasingly need to hedge their bets as much as possible and not alienate large swathes of a would-be readership, also maybe cos kids don't define their music taste by genre as much as they used to (ymmv)

I think it was not too long after this that the NME published it's 'Moshers v Scallies' piece? I think there was an extent to which this was tapping into a real 'thing', in the worst possible, cack-handed way of course.
Some Mosher v Scally stuff written by people who weren't in their 30s can be found here, though it's from about 5 years after the Maker folded:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mosher

Moshers: feel no need to justify themselves to others,generally loving and friendly but have a tendancy to hate chavs and townies(can ya blame em?), wear the clothes they want 2 wear, not what others percieve as fashion or "cool", like badges alot. listen to a mixture of punk,rock and metal. as they name suggests they mosh to their music and have mosh pits at concerts (dnt get involved unless u r prepared to get injured). in short moshers are the coolest people on earth and i am honord to be friends with them.
mosher 1:*hug* hey wat r u listening 2
mosher 2: slipknot, want an ear?
*listens 2 mp3 player*mosh*get dirty look from a chav*
mosher 1: god i hate chavs
mosher 2: my neck is killing me *rubs neck*shrugs*moshes more*

don't remember 'moshers v scallies' at all. google brings up two results, respectively from thelibertines.org and an ILM thread with three posts

i remember the discussion a lot on ch4 teletext except it was townies (or neds from scottish readers) vs moshers not chavs as it wasn't in usage then.

didn't conor mcnicholas post on ilm once?

We had trendies vs casuals, with similar meanings (except trendies were a bit more indie than moshers). Granted this was about twelve years before the article.

Haha no, my bad. About two years before. Time is becoming hazy.

i remember in the 80s casuals loved the who and pink floyd. then madchester and rave came along.

The Minds, man

only knob ends liked simple minds!

what did the hardmen in schools listen to in the 70s?

grebos vs ravers at my school (music taste played a huge part of how you were defined and what groups of friends you belonged to when i was growing up. hated it, but often yielded to peer pressure)

neither side were grebos or ravers btw.

People at your school actually self-identified as 'grebos'?

no it's what each side called each other.

i think it was deliberately inaccurate. the ravers weren't into raving/dance music (necessarily - mostly listened to chart pop and r'n'b) and the grebos, well, this was some time after New Model Army

The lines were blurred in sixth form when loads of the trendies started getting into ecstasy and dance music.

I thought New Model Army was more crusty than grebo?

i had friends who went to one of the local schools here in the early 90s and according to them at the time it was split between 2 groups: the beautiful people & rockers (who were generally metallers/grungers.) One assumes indie fans were the latter too.

my cousins 17 yr old girl says at her school there's 'rock fans' (which can be Arctic Monkeys to Nirvana) and 'pop fans'.

Yeah, the Grebos listened to anything from Blur to Sepultura, but even Underworld (IIRC) were treated with caution, at least until late GCSEs. For some reason the Ravers thought all the Grebos listened to was Bon Jovi, but that might have been another deliberate misunderstanding designed to annoy them.

I can honestly sayI never ever heard anyone called a grebo up here. Not even the huge group of Hawkwind fans that were a year or 2 older than I was.

I also bet every school here had different terms tan other schools in the area. Terribly parochial up here.

omg look at the CD that came with it

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Born-To-Do-It-Better/release/2665202

UTTER HORROR

xpost yeh it changed from region to region. i know neighbouring schools used the same terms, but go further out and it was all change.

Poll? One Armed Scissor would walk. Didn't even like it that much even then.

i loved atdi. still do

the qotsa is my fave qotsa song though!

omg look at the CD that came with it

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Born-To-Do-It-Better/release/2665202

UTTER HORROR

I like the Lauren Laverne song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUWcPGeKjko

lex am I wrong in thinking you thought qotsa were ok once? I think you liked Mark Lanegan?

i don't mind QOTSA (without ever really seeking out their stuff), i'm guessing if forced to choose that would be mine, though i've never heard that specific song

All of those tracks are on youtube with the exception of the My Vitriol and Wilt songs which are both on spotify. I listened to the whole thing for the first time last night.

don't remember reading melody maker at all

there is some awful trash here but i still like a few things

kid a was the best radiohead lp by a furlong and suggestive of musical worlds beyond indie and all of that

primal scream's ~political~ paratext circa y2k seemed thrilingly risible as a 15 yr old and xtrmntr was miraculous ('mbv arkestra' on a #3 album being almost as implausible as to here knows when charting) and a few of my friends became obsessed with it, they were excellent in concert too

saw asian dub foundation and i think atdi around then

jj72 is the only thing i have a residual fondness for even though i would surely find them enervating in the extreme if i had to sit through an lp today

old ilm had the hots for lauren laverne. So much so that DG made a memorable post about how it didn't matter how much ilx posters said they liked Kenickie they were never going to get to fuck her.

this is missing IDLEWILD who were the platonic indie not-quite-feebs of y2k

and muse

they were awful in 2000

btw i want to add that Pitchshifter were terrible by this point in 2000. I even sold my old cds in disgust LOL

of course they were awful but so was idlewild and pretty much everything on this list.

technically they got even worse and lord knows how bad they must be now but in 2000 they were abominable

idlewild's 2000 lp wasn't too bad, they were still ripping off fugazi or husker du at this point

they got a lot worse

the delgados must have reached a peak of respectability around 2000 too

whatever happened to Terris?