not a cover of the Who classic, but likely to have the same incendiary impact that song had in 1965, except without the 'why don't you all f-f-fade away' cop out, of course. Nah, in 2013 Durst tells it like it is: 'we don't, we don't give a fuck and we won't, we won't give a fuck until, you, you give a fuck about me, and my generation'
Thinking about it, as this was 2000 Melody Maker it would have actually been 'we don't, we don't give a f*** and we won't, we won't give a f*** until, you, you give a f*** about me, and my generation'.
― our music pushed off airwaves and common room stereos across the land (bends), Friday, 4 October 2013 11:39 (ten years ago) link
had to star it to protect your maiden aunt
― lusty thoughts of big, strong, powerful hipsters (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 October 2013 11:42 (ten years ago) link
tbh it's completely understandable that a weekly music publication pitched at young-ish readers shd need to form a constituency and to define itself partly with a spurious oppositional stance.
was thinking about this the evening before last while waiting for a train iirc - can't really think of a solid example of the newsstand music press trying to do this since then. the NME (Kerrang too I think) has had various punchbag bands that have arisen because they've become uncool and/or they've had some pissy argument with them, but nothing that really comes close to having ~wider cultural implications~ or whatever. I guess because they increasingly need to hedge their bets as much as possible and not alienate large swathes of a would-be readership, also maybe cos kids don't define their music taste by genre as much as they used to (ymmv)
― Dance kings intent on making us laugh and groove at the same time (DJ Mencap), Friday, 4 October 2013 12:07 (ten years ago) link
I think it was not too long after this that the NME published it's 'Moshers v Scallies' piece? I think there was an extent to which this was tapping into a real 'thing', in the worst possible, cack-handed way of course.Some Mosher v Scally stuff written by people who weren't in their 30s can be found here, though it's from about 5 years after the Maker folded:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mosher
― our music pushed off airwaves and common room stereos across the land (bends), Friday, 4 October 2013 12:16 (ten years ago) link
Moshers: feel no need to justify themselves to others,generally loving and friendly but have a tendancy to hate chavs and townies(can ya blame em?), wear the clothes they want 2 wear, not what others percieve as fashion or "cool", like badges alot. listen to a mixture of punk,rock and metal. as they name suggests they mosh to their music and have mosh pits at concerts (dnt get involved unless u r prepared to get injured). in short moshers are the coolest people on earth and i am honord to be friends with them.mosher 1:*hug* hey wat r u listening 2 mosher 2: slipknot, want an ear? *listens 2 mp3 player*mosh*get dirty look from a chav* mosher 1: god i hate chavs mosher 2: my neck is killing me *rubs neck*shrugs*moshes more*
don't remember 'moshers v scallies' at all. google brings up two results, respectively from thelibertines.org and an ILM thread with three posts
― Dance kings intent on making us laugh and groove at the same time (DJ Mencap), Friday, 4 October 2013 13:35 (ten years ago) link
i remember the discussion a lot on ch4 teletext except it was townies (or neds from scottish readers) vs moshers not chavs as it wasn't in usage then.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 13:43 (ten years ago) link
didn't conor mcnicholas post on ilm once?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link
We had trendies vs casuals, with similar meanings (except trendies were a bit more indie than moshers). Granted this was about twelve years before the article.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 4 October 2013 13:58 (ten years ago) link
Haha no, my bad. About two years before. Time is becoming hazy.
i remember in the 80s casuals loved the who and pink floyd. then madchester and rave came along.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 13:59 (ten years ago) link
The Minds, man
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link
only knob ends liked simple minds!
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:04 (ten years ago) link
what did the hardmen in schools listen to in the 70s?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link
grebos vs ravers at my school (music taste played a huge part of how you were defined and what groups of friends you belonged to when i was growing up. hated it, but often yielded to peer pressure)
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link
neither side were grebos or ravers btw.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link
People at your school actually self-identified as 'grebos'?
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 October 2013 14:33 (ten years ago) link
no it's what each side called each other.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:34 (ten years ago) link
i think it was deliberately inaccurate. the ravers weren't into raving/dance music (necessarily - mostly listened to chart pop and r'n'b) and the grebos, well, this was some time after New Model Army
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:35 (ten years ago) link
The lines were blurred in sixth form when loads of the trendies started getting into ecstasy and dance music.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:38 (ten years ago) link
I thought New Model Army was more crusty than grebo?
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:39 (ten years ago) link
i had friends who went to one of the local schools here in the early 90s and according to them at the time it was split between 2 groups: the beautiful people & rockers (who were generally metallers/grungers.) One assumes indie fans were the latter too.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:41 (ten years ago) link
my cousins 17 yr old girl says at her school there's 'rock fans' (which can be Arctic Monkeys to Nirvana) and 'pop fans'.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:42 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, the Grebos listened to anything from Blur to Sepultura, but even Underworld (IIRC) were treated with caution, at least until late GCSEs. For some reason the Ravers thought all the Grebos listened to was Bon Jovi, but that might have been another deliberate misunderstanding designed to annoy them.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:47 (ten years ago) link
I can honestly sayI never ever heard anyone called a grebo up here. Not even the huge group of Hawkwind fans that were a year or 2 older than I was.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
I also bet every school here had different terms tan other schools in the area. Terribly parochial up here.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link
omg look at the CD that came with it
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Born-To-Do-It-Better/release/2665202
UTTER HORROR
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 October 2013 14:54 (ten years ago) link
xpost yeh it changed from region to region. i know neighbouring schools used the same terms, but go further out and it was all change.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link
Poll? One Armed Scissor would walk. Didn't even like it that much even then.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:56 (ten years ago) link
i loved atdi. still do
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:57 (ten years ago) link
the qotsa is my fave qotsa song though!
I like the Lauren Laverne song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUWcPGeKjko
― our music pushed off airwaves and common room stereos across the land (bends), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:58 (ten years ago) link
lex am I wrong in thinking you thought qotsa were ok once? I think you liked Mark Lanegan?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 14:58 (ten years ago) link
i don't mind QOTSA (without ever really seeking out their stuff), i'm guessing if forced to choose that would be mine, though i've never heard that specific song
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link
All of those tracks are on youtube with the exception of the My Vitriol and Wilt songs which are both on spotify. I listened to the whole thing for the first time last night.
― our music pushed off airwaves and common room stereos across the land (bends), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link
don't remember reading melody maker at all
there is some awful trash here but i still like a few things
kid a was the best radiohead lp by a furlong and suggestive of musical worlds beyond indie and all of that
primal scream's ~political~ paratext circa y2k seemed thrilingly risible as a 15 yr old and xtrmntr was miraculous ('mbv arkestra' on a #3 album being almost as implausible as to here knows when charting) and a few of my friends became obsessed with it, they were excellent in concert too
saw asian dub foundation and i think atdi around then
jj72 is the only thing i have a residual fondness for even though i would surely find them enervating in the extreme if i had to sit through an lp today
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link
old ilm had the hots for lauren laverne. So much so that DG made a memorable post about how it didn't matter how much ilx posters said they liked Kenickie they were never going to get to fuck her.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link
this is missing IDLEWILD who were the platonic indie not-quite-feebs of y2k
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:01 (ten years ago) link
and muse
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:02 (ten years ago) link
they were awful in 2000
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
btw i want to add that Pitchshifter were terrible by this point in 2000. I even sold my old cds in disgust LOL
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link
of course they were awful but so was idlewild and pretty much everything on this list.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link
technically they got even worse and lord knows how bad they must be now but in 2000 they were abominable
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link
idlewild's 2000 lp wasn't too bad, they were still ripping off fugazi or husker du at this point
they got a lot worse
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:05 (ten years ago) link
the delgados must have reached a peak of respectability around 2000 too
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link
whatever happened to Terris?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
the absolute worst uk thing on this list is probably king adora
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:07 (ten years ago) link
i started uni in this era and just remember thinking about how terrible the music people were listening to was. most students either listened to gomez and idlewild or terrible Ibiza trance. coming from a very progressive sixth form college it was a very disappointing culture to be absorbed into.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
I remember the NME being fairly pro-UKG around this time, positively reviewing a load of stuff, putting So Solid and Craig David on the cover etc. Then again it was trance and superclub house they declared war on.
Amazing how irreleveant most of this stuff turned out to be. I have fond memories of this thread though:
A Hundred Reasons why Hundred Reasons are shite
Especially when one of the band turned up all butthurt.
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 October 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
Relationship of Command is still a massive album. I still play ADF's Community Music now and then, though that was perhaps a bit later?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 4 October 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link