evan otm. it does sound "pretty good" but...that's it
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 October 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link
also idk who "josephine" is but i'm calling sock at any poster who seemingly only shows up to snark at me
get over yourself, b
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 October 2013 16:37 (ten years ago) link
whenever i see this thread title i hear the weeknd singing "take a cut for me"
FWIW I'm not grading its quality either way, just expressing a general ennui w/ the entire approach
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
haven't really digested this whole thing yet and though i think evan's assessment has an element of truth to it, "enemy" kinda refutes the idea that this is all very precious
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 October 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
production that sounds like it came from glass studios where you can't touch anything
i think this is less of a problem here... a lot of these beats are hard. one of the best things about this record. they would break glass studios! i understand the lineage you're referring to but i think it's a red herring here.
when the songs fail it's because the producers misunderstand timbaland's genius as purely related to his drums instead of his drums rubbing against the textures of traditional, soulful R&B. production nerd problems, i'd wager.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 October 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
but i like this record. i don't think it's GREAT but the songwriting is stronger than i anticipated. i also think the vocals are generally pretty good except when she sounds too much like cassie (my main prob with "bank head"). also i think this leans closer to so so def-era bass music than it's getting credit for.
that said i do sympathize with lex in that i wish there were songs here that had momentum. there's a lot of banging up and down here — and i like that about it, "enemy" and "floor show" and "cut 4 me" — but not enough pushing forward
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 October 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
i'm with rev, this is great.
― festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link
lex is right that this needs to be more danceable though lol
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 October 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
it's like two albums worth of good slow jams crammed into one which sounds good but is kinda boring
actually it's funny that evan made the "glass studio" quip when there's literally the sound of glass shattering in one song
― J0rdan S., Friday, 4 October 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
lol, does 'guns & synths' use the gchat notification sound on the backbeat every so often? it's tripping me out.
i think this is plenty danceable in its way, thought that was the whole idea.
― festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 4 October 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link
Up and down but not forward is a v good description of the beats (and why I don't get with them)
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 October 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
do you mean like in terms of dynamics (structure, builds, etc) or just how the grooves feel?
― festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 4 October 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link
How the (NON) grooves feel I guess?
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 October 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
the actual slow jams (minus minimal dance beats) at the end of the record are stunning
― festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 4 October 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link
This is growing on me a lot. Wish "Go All Night" was a full track.
― I make $94k Based God (rennavate), Friday, 4 October 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
the glass thing is probably one of Jam City's?
― My god. Pure ideology. (ey), Friday, 4 October 2013 19:01 (ten years ago) link
I thought it was the NA track?
― CAROUSEL! CAROUSEL! (Telephone thing), Friday, 4 October 2013 19:05 (ten years ago) link
I thought this would be boring like jessy lanza, but it's actually pretty nice. I'm all for night slugs/fade to mind + vocals.
― sisilafami, Friday, 4 October 2013 21:12 (ten years ago) link
yeah lanza did cross my mind too but it def doesnt deserved to be put it with that ilk
― r|t|c, Friday, 4 October 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link
jeez.. deserve to be put in
― r|t|c, Friday, 4 October 2013 21:27 (ten years ago) link
none of these melodies are sticking in my head at all but it doesn't matter, i can't stop listening to this.
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 7 October 2013 21:11 (ten years ago) link
it's the beats, but they wouldn't work at all without the vocals, there would be nothing there.
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 7 October 2013 21:12 (ten years ago) link
"Enemy" has been in my head all the time (as well as "Bank Head" obv), but otherwise true
― The Reverend, Monday, 7 October 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link
― lex pretend, Friday, October 4, 2013 10:54 AM Bookmark
I actually agree with this, in that they're meant to BOUNCE
― The Reverend, Monday, 7 October 2013 21:19 (ten years ago) link
'bank head' is an exception for sure, although it still reminds me of 'stillness is the move'.
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 7 October 2013 21:34 (ten years ago) link
― The Reverend, Monday, October 7, 2013 5:19 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i don't think it's a negative across the board, just wish there was a bit more variation
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 October 2013 21:37 (ten years ago) link
re: bounce, i agree, they're built like dance beats but feel like rap beats.
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 7 October 2013 21:43 (ten years ago) link
'floor show' is pretty hooky too i guess.
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 7 October 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, that one too
― The Reverend, Monday, 7 October 2013 21:52 (ten years ago) link
"floor show" and "enemy" are easily the best two imo except for "go all night" but i'm not counting that
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 October 2013 21:56 (ten years ago) link
that morris beat is so majestic tho
― The Reverend, Monday, 7 October 2013 21:58 (ten years ago) link
The refrain from the title track is the earwormiest thing here for me.
― CAROUSEL! CAROUSEL! (Telephone thing), Monday, 7 October 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link
"floor show" and "cut 4 me" are the best two imo (and the only ones which approach keeper status)
― lex pretend, Monday, 7 October 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link
― The Reverend, Monday, October 7, 2013 5:58 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah... is the track supposed to be a teaser or is it really just a 90 second song forever
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 October 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
there's two 90 second parts. wish it was just one song tho.
― The Reverend, Monday, 7 October 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link
ah right i didn't even make that connection lol... that's stupid
― J0rdan S., Monday, 7 October 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link
I'll rep for the hookiness of "Do It Again".
― Luigi Nono, le petit robot (seandalai), Monday, 7 October 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link
this is really growing me, i kind of love it now
― I make $94k Based God (rennavate), Monday, 7 October 2013 22:44 (ten years ago) link
Seriously Lex you think those tunes are substantially better than "Bank Head"? I ask because it would seem to me that "Bank Head" is the tune that I'd be most inclined to describe as a "roller" i.e. to my ears it would evade a lot of the criticisms you make upthread.
― Tim F, Monday, 7 October 2013 23:05 (ten years ago) link
i was disappointed by "bank head" when it first came out and still don't think much of it, basically even in a kinda unsatisfactory listen i'll still gravitate towards its more aggressive moments
not that they're that special, just alright. k michelle album so much better
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 08:50 (ten years ago) link
even though I like the more aggressive moments on this, for me r&b is kind of what I listen to to get away from aggression.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 18:35 (ten years ago) link
I'm glad we've moved onto the inane false binary stage.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link
"something else" >>>>>>
― (whose paintings looked like (pink) vaginas) (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 20:14 (ten years ago) link
there's a full version of "go all night" out today: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/go-all-night-single/id728850909
― How to Destroy How to Dress Well (lou), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
also the first release on Solange's new label, which has me interested in seeing what Solange as curator results in.
― fffv, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 00:11 (ten years ago) link
She already opened a tour for Solange.
"Send Me Out" makes me feel some type of way :|
― old homophobic boom bap rap traditionalist (The Reverend), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
listened to this straight through again yesterday. still love it but now 'Floor Show', 'Something Else', and 'A Lie' are the ones really sticking.
― festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 24 October 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link