Excelsior the book

maybe only if the site doesn't already have policies (or precedents, if you will) that copyrights belong to individual posters, as ILX does.

Anyone who posts a photo of themselves should be aware of the consequences, even moreso than their written posts. I know I thought about it before posting mine.

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spittle, I don't know the answer to this. There might be some implied copyright or property there, I dunno.

Andrew had his copyright violated by both his posts being included and things being taken from his server without his permission (I don't believe the image linking thing would apply here as it's basically impossible - as far as I can tell - to prevent text theft in a technical webmaster-y way, obv. claiming copyright is non-technical).
Right, Andrew had his copyright violated, he had standing to complain (as did others). (I'm using standing in a semi-legal sense - anyone could, of course, write to cafepress and inform them of a copyright violation, but the only people who could actually take Mark/daCapo/cafepress to court would be the violated) Andrew wouldn't have standing as the Owner/Wizard of ILX.

He didn't have anything taken "from his servers" from the impression I got - the book was a collection of posts owned by individuals, without any ILX-owned material (which would be the FAQ and other information, I guess?). The posts are hosted on ILX's server, but ILX's guidelines forfeit any copyright claims.

(if C@llum posts one of his things and a moderator edits it - who owns the copyright to that post?)

Milo, could the individual copyright owners not sue the infringers of their copyright? Wouldn't that make a clean-cut class-action civil case? I can't imagine how somebody could argue these posts are in the public domain when it is stated clearly on this site that they are, in fact, not.
Absolutely, individuals could sue, so long as they were violated.

(The more I think about it, the more curious I am about the nature of posts to an Internet forum. Are they assumed by the courts to be similar to speaking in public, where anyone could quote you? Or are they treated as written articles? Has a court ever ruled on a case like the "selected conversations" idea?)

I've wondered about this myself

do i need copyright permission to fuckiong quote someone on a thread? i mean, for fucks sake.

just calm down. no one is buying this shitty book. cafepress wont make money. this is no different from me printing copies for myself and handing them out to friends.

no one is going to put lawsuits up... or no one should because it is a complete waste of motherfucking time.

christ. this is making me angry. just fucking chill out.

i still agree with trayce, milo and tep fwiw.

i hate you all for making me read this rubbish.

die.

Right, at least that's what the fair use doctrine says. But in a case like this, where the individual posts are, theoretically, all owned by the individual posters, then each post constitutes a separate document, constituting a "whole" unto itself, so that a quote of a single post is actually the same as wholesale copying. Except that I can't imagine that argument flying in a legal setting -- it would be like CBS alleging that every pixel of every image in every frame of a broadcast constituted a separate document.

seriously. everyone just calm the fuck down.

its a motherfucking internet message board. its supposed to be fun.

once again. die.

wouldnt that be nice?

Also this is an area of the law that makes me glad I quit lawyering.

I think there has been some massive overreation on this thread, but I guess I kind of understand why. I have no real comment on that.

He's asked me upthread not to talk about his previous attempt to do this, but honestly, from the amount of ruck caused by 3 or 4 people, he could perhaps have guessed a least a fraction of the controversy it would cause? The only person who objected to the former exercise was a known troll, so, I don't know. Who knows.

(Please note: the explanation he gave for why he tried it before was that he wanted to try out CafePress as a practice or sample for work purposes, and needed a large sample of text to be published, to assess their quality. A particular thread on ILX provided this opportunity.)

Anyway, I'm putting words in his mouth at this point, but I'm sure that he will log back on when his work is slow, make an apology and sort things out.

I shall read this thread and contact those who I have seriously pissed off.

Later.

Good luck. If you manage it you'll be doing better than me.

xpost - even better: print up what you think is funny at work without your boss seeing!

That's exactly why I did the book. (continuing)