oh man, i'm a fool. i had never heard VU before. i didn't realize there WERE studio versions of songs like Foggy Notion and I Can't Stand It! i'm familiar with most of the songs from various live releases and bootlegs, but it's still an eyeopener.
― reckless woo (Z S), Saturday, 2 November 2013 01:04 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owest-or4gg
― buzza, Saturday, 2 November 2013 01:10 (ten years ago) link
does moe have a chance at placing anything in this poll? i've never really heard any of her solo stuff. is there a consensus for her best song? can't really say i like her on I'm Sticking With You or After Hours
― reckless woo (Z S), Saturday, 2 November 2013 01:12 (ten years ago) link
I dunno that I will put in a ballot but I'm gonna tag along for the ride so I can get some more listening recommendations & learn some more catalog learnin'. Have just cued up Vintage Violence from the talk itt and I'm already thrilled by it
v excited for the rollout
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 November 2013 01:45 (ten years ago) link
doing a poll of the solo careers of Reed, Cale, etc. together but not including the actual band they were in together would be kinda goofy imo. i could see doing just a Reed solo poll, but even then, his discography and VU's are inextricably tangled up with each other, it just seems willful. plus VU don't have THAT many songs so even if they dominate the upper reaches of the countdown there'll be lots of room for the other stuff in a top 50 or whatever.
― Ned Ratchet (some dude), Saturday, 2 November 2013 02:01 (ten years ago) link
can't really say i like her on I'm Sticking With You or After Hours
http://www.solaronemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Angry-Dog.jpg
― balls, Saturday, 2 November 2013 02:09 (ten years ago) link
From the White Knights soundtrack...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgd1hh_KaS0
― Bailey (Collins) Lover (Eazy), Saturday, 2 November 2013 03:19 (ten years ago) link
like it!
what's the policy on collaborations w/non-VU people? Can I vote for "Spinning Away"?
― Jesus (wins), Saturday, 2 November 2013 12:22 (ten years ago) link
There are a bunch of fabulous performances of "Fear Is A Man's Best Friend" on Youtube. Here are two of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHaDnhHFiJY
― Kent Burt, Saturday, 2 November 2013 14:00 (ten years ago) link
Collaborations w non-VU members (ie Mettallica) are allowed
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 2 November 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link
man some of these demo versions on Fully Loaded are pretty weird. that they managed to fashion pop-rock gems out of these is remarkable.
get those ballots in folx, only 3 so far....
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:44 (ten years ago) link
i'm planning on submitting a ballot, but i'm trying to improve my familiarity with some solo stuff i haven't heard yet before i put it together.
― reckless woo (Z S), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
thinking my ballot is gonna be all solo stuff
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
I will submit a ballot, but probably at the last minute
― sleeve, Monday, 4 November 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link
I had totally forgotten about "My Love Is Chemical" - thanks!
― The sweet spot between bad and unpleasant (Dan Peterson), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link
I made up mine on the weekend, will send it along tonight. I think I had a 14/6 group/solo split.
― clemenza, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link
I'll definitely send a ballot, just gotta get past this week's deadline hell first.
― WilliamC, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
You know you get 50 votes right? Xp
― you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
I know. With the rare exception (Neil Young), I cut my ballots at songs I absolutely love, as opposed to merely like.
― clemenza, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:10 (ten years ago) link
i didn't realize there WERE studio versions of songs like Foggy Notion
Oh, the studio version of "Foggy Notion" is rhythm section heaven! Bit of a krautrock thing going on too.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
ah, fair enough xp
― you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
man....never listened to the Quine Tapes before, this is awesome.
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:51 (ten years ago) link
if only there were more volumes!
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:52 (ten years ago) link
I can't help but make my poll virtually all VU. They were too great.
― kraudive, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 00:48 (ten years ago) link
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:51 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― reckless woo (Z S), Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:52 PM
there are the infamous unreleased Matrix tapes too
ums I envy your 1st listen to the Quine box, that thing is a world unto itself
― sleeve, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 00:57 (ten years ago) link
iirc, there was some wrangling between the owners of the Matrix tapes and Polydor which basically caused Lou to say fuck it to any further bootleg series volumes (either the Matrix tapes folks wanted too much money, or Polydor was balking at releasing them).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 03:51 (ten years ago) link
I find this impossible to vote in, if only because I wouldn't be able to rank the various solo releases, let alone square those against the VU corpus
plus doing weird things like voting for the etc version of "I'm sticking with you"
― a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 04:10 (ten years ago) link
whoah I never realized those were different, just cross-checked
those Etc, NYC, and And So On boot LPs were crucial to troo kult fans back in the day
― sleeve, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 04:27 (ten years ago) link
hey so I started a rough ballot and I hope this is still mostly how it's gonna be:
shakey yr call completely obv (and if you've got ballots where ppl have two different versions of a song on there in different places i guess there's no work around) but i would suggest for tracks where ppl vote for this live version or that live version or the album version or a demo version that you might only allow one vote for the track but if ppl want to specify a specific version they can and then when you roll out the results you note it when you list the totals for that track. basically what they do for remixes on year end polls or w/ a few other artist polls. that way certain tracks don't have their vote watered down or aren't basically competing against themselves. anyhow stoked for this, i'm sure it'll end up velvets top heavy (it should end up velvets top heavy) but i think there will be some great diversity and maybe FACTIONS will emerge. make the rollout as long as possible imo. i mean elton john got a hundred track rollout, would guess you rank the velvets at least equal to elton john. maybe i'm wrong though.
― balls, Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:47 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol you didn't read the elton rollout thread did you
yr suggestion re: various versions sounds good, was mostly waiting til I see ballots to make that kind of call
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:57 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark
cuz I am voting for some weirdo versions, just like EIII mentions... I mean, the slow burn Quine tapes version of "Waiting For My Man" is genuinely my favorite!
also there's this weird awesome take of "Guess I'm Falling In Love" from the "And So On" boot LP that I will definitely vote for
Cale & Reed started slugging it out for solo material ballot spots well within my top ten
― sleeve, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 04:47 (ten years ago) link
same take but I can't stand the reverb on the VU version
dry version sounds like "after hours" kissin' cousin, reverb version sounds like some shit lou scraped off his shoe on the curb outside the studio
xp
― a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 04:50 (ten years ago) link
I just found out moe is apparently a tea party crazy nowadays and it's bumming me out
― a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 05:01 (ten years ago) link
I found that out last week and it bummed me out so bad I didn't mention it here. :(
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link
We created a thread for it three years ago. Not a surprise tbh
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 14:52 (ten years ago) link
Actually, no: discussion here: TS: Mo Tucker vs. Ringo Starr
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
Moe's complicated, but awesome. I did this interview with her in 2002:
http://www.metropulse.com/news/2002/feb/14/velvet-undergrounds-moe-tucker-comes-knoxville/?preventMobileRedirect=1.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 14:59 (ten years ago) link
HEre I get to mention again, I met Moe and Sterling when they played Reading Univ.
― Mark G, Thursday, 7 November 2013 13:41 (ten years ago) link
Someone needs to get with Moe and ghostwrite an autobiography.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 7 November 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
Why? She can write, you know...
― Mark G, Thursday, 7 November 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link
That would be great, too. Just sort of figure if she was gonna do it she'd have done it by now. Might need someone to talk her into it. Anyway, a project for some enterprising writer. Go to it, kids.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 7 November 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
Four ballots received so far...
this is all fine and good, but bear in mind that insisting that your votes for particular takes of songs be counted separately from other versions basically guarantees that they will not make it into the final results, due to the unlikelihood of anybody else specifying that particular take.
Depending on how the votes come in, I may just tally all the votes for a given song together, while noting that a certain portion of those votes were for various versions, but I dunno, depends on people's ballots really.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 7 November 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link
For Metal Machine Music, is it all one thing or do we vote by side?
― snoop dogey doge (seandalai), Friday, 8 November 2013 01:03 (ten years ago) link
I was wondering the same thing. Each side seems to pick up exactly where the previous one left off, and it was once released as a single, uninterrupted piece (on 8-track, but still).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 8 November 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link
I find this impossible to vote in, if only because I wouldn't be able to rank the various solo releases, let alone square those against the VU corpusplus doing weird things like voting for the etc version of "I'm sticking with you"
― Blecch Dreieinigkeitsmoses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 November 2013 02:08 (ten years ago) link
Gonna consider MMM a single piece of music
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 November 2013 02:36 (ten years ago) link
btw if you don't vote you are a pussy
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 November 2013 02:37 (ten years ago) link
don't settle for lurking
― buzza, Friday, 8 November 2013 03:55 (ten years ago) link
All right, my tinnitus-having, Michael-Moorcock-reading friend, you have thrown down the gauntlet. You will see my 50 picks before next Friday.
― Blecch Dreieinigkeitsmoses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 November 2013 04:05 (ten years ago) link
Is The Soul of Patrick Lee eligible? Also, who is Adam Miller?!
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Friday, 8 November 2013 15:09 (ten years ago) link
lol @ buzza
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 8 November 2013 15:33 (ten years ago) link
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 7 November 2013 21:07 (Yesterday) Permalink
hi Shakey what I was trying to say there was yes, please count all the different versions together. That way I can vote for my fave weirdo live version of a classic song and it gets counted.
― sleeve, Friday, 8 November 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link