post-more
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2013 22:47 (ten years ago) link
Lemme just thank everyone ever for not referring to pat Boone as "contextually post-black"
― da croupier, Friday, 15 November 2013 22:48 (ten years ago) link
"post-black" as a shorthand for Macklemore makes perfect sense to me
i.e.,
Unless you're a Ron Paul supporter, it should go without saying the USA's treatment of African-Americans in this country for the last, oh, 400 years has been notably shitty, right up to 2013: Job inequality is still in effect, the judicial system is still stacked, wealth distribution is fucked, and in Florida, Detroit and "stand your ground" states it's practically legal to shoot black people.
Hip-hop music — while not a cipher for the African-American experience, don;'t get it twisted — is easily the most popular art form invented and performed primarily by African-Americans in the last 40 years. That cannot be disputed.
It the 1970s it sprouted from a community that literally had nothing, which is why the instruments were other people's records. In turn, even 40 years later, America is still fucked up and rap music made by African-Americans often — implicitly or quite explicitly — reflects this fucked-up state, whether vivid tales of the neighborhoods the evening news doesn't show (Kendrick Lamar, Ice T) or mythical tales of crime (Jay Z, E-40) or simply aspirational (every time i come into your city bling bling).
White teenagers, of course, are drawn to alienation and angst (what do you think fuels heavy metal, punk, and other predominately white, teenage music forms?). HOWEVER, every time white people rapped, they tried to emulate SOMETHING in hip-hop, whether that means copped some of the slang (Marky Mark) or the back stories (Vanilla Ice) or the tales of violence (Beastie Boys) or the swagger (Eminem) or the fashion (Slim Thug) or went extra steps to show they respected the culture (3rd Bass)
Macklemore is the first popular rapper to not only be AWARE of his white privilege ("White Privilege"), but to take the extra, disgusting step and ignore it entirely.
― imago-er not a show-er (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 November 2013 00:31 (ten years ago) link
And, in turn, a white dude who went to a liberal arts college is out here preaching that every black person in America should be more like Fugazi. Fuck him.
― imago-er not a show-er (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 November 2013 00:33 (ten years ago) link
to me "post-black" means "post- having to ever acknowledge the history and culture and contributions of African-Americans" which, yes, he is the first popular rapper to do
― imago-er not a show-er (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 November 2013 00:35 (ten years ago) link
wow i get what he means but how do you ever think that's a good way to put it?! you can't treat people's identities like they're made-up genre names
― lex pretend, Saturday, 16 November 2013 00:55 (ten years ago) link
the reason i brought up Pat Boone is that, despite the fact that Boone divorced "black" music from its roots and sold it to white audiences just as much as macklemore has, no one would ever call him "contextually post-black" today because it would be weird to describe a white dude awkwardly singing "tutti frutti" 50+ years ago as being "post-" such an amorphous phrase as "black," the concept of which as a music has evolved plenty since. while not a compliment per se, calling someone "contextually post-black" suggests a detached perspective where "black" is not an ethnic identity, but a style or event that can be built upon or evolved from, like "punk" or "rock." It takes the already sketchy notion of slapping an ethnicity in front of a musical style - "blue-eyed soul," for instance, and takes it a toxic step further, suggesting not just that you can make a style you're own simply by being a different ethnicity than its originators, but that you can TRANSCEND the ethnicity of the originators.
Upthread, there's a reference to the term being used to describe African-American artists who utilize familiar "black" concepts but don't want them to be labeled as such. While we can debate whether that's a worthwhile way to phrase that intention, a white critic using "post-black" as a way to describe someone you think has divorced a "black" sound from its roots is at best cynical and at worst supremacist.
― da croupier, Saturday, 16 November 2013 01:13 (ten years ago) link
in a sense, it IS a compliment because it suggests evolution rather than carpetbagging
― da croupier, Saturday, 16 November 2013 01:16 (ten years ago) link
I think we can all agree that when we see "neo" or "post" as a prefix we should reach for our keyboards.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 November 2013 02:45 (ten years ago) link
whether it's neoliberal or neoconservative or post-black these terms ask for trouble because their users plead for our forbearance, i.e. "this is how I'm different but for safety's sake I'm gonna keep a couple of fingers on the root form of this word."
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 November 2013 02:46 (ten years ago) link
i'm really confused, did Whiney call Slim Thug white?
― some dude, Saturday, 16 November 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link
haha i thought the same thing, maybe wgw is leaking industry secrets.
― shiny trippy people holding bandz (m bison), Saturday, 16 November 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
Hahaha, I meant Paul Wall
#controversysells
― imago-er not a show-er (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 November 2013 03:41 (ten years ago) link
I read that Slim Thug wrote "Like a Boss" and assumed he was in Lonely Island.
― imago-er not a show-er (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 November 2013 03:44 (ten years ago) link
lol man I read that post like four times front to back trying to figure out if it was real or not based on that one single misstep.
― Spottie, Saturday, 16 November 2013 03:46 (ten years ago) link
hahaha
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 16 November 2013 03:58 (ten years ago) link
i google image searched Slim Thug to see if there was another Slim Thug i wasn't aware of
― alpine static, Saturday, 16 November 2013 06:49 (ten years ago) link
But of course!
http://gawker.com/sharkfacegang-1465744396
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 November 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
lol at their nice young man practiced smiles
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 November 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
i don't think they have to practice, they really are nice young men!
― some dude, Saturday, 16 November 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
its crazy how anticonesque he is, bet its got some retired beardo rappers feeling sort of self conscious right now
― lag∞n, Friday, November 15, 2013 3:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i kinda want to compile some kind of anthology of how white underground rap message board dudes have reacted to Macklemore's success, has to be fascinating/hilarious. ICP's review of his video was pretty classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my9mjd0BTyY
― some dude, Saturday, 16 November 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link
those smiles looked pretty practiced tho u must admit, which is something nice young men do, macklemore obvs more successful than ryan lewis in this case, ten thousand hours and all
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 November 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
i saw SHARK FACE GANG shirts at his show but idgi... is it cuz macklemore looks like a shark? cuz i could see that
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 16 November 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link
http://pixarne.ws/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cfa93438511db9e60b63708e36e4230a.jpg
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 November 2013 21:03 (ten years ago) link
http://edge-img.datpiff.com/m8deca0c/Jay-White_Great_Mixtape-front-large.jpg
― imago-er not a show-er (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 16 November 2013 21:13 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/7Ve9sB9.png
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 20:07 (ten years ago) link
like macklemore and ryan lewis needed an extra $15
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 20:17 (ten years ago) link
ha
― Noodzilla (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link
lmao
― deez the season (some dude), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 21:26 (ten years ago) link
otm
― Al He Miola (Spottie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bet.com/shows/106-and-park/photos/the-buzz/2014/01/the-buzz-drake-covers-kanye-beyonce-ousted-and-more/_jcr_content/leftcol/flipbook/flipbookimage_5.flipfeature.dimg/010714-macklemore-the-source-magazine-cover.jpghttp://mburgan.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/mugshot__malcolm-x.jpg
No comment.
― Emined - FAP God (The Reverend), Monday, 13 January 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link
"American Hustle"
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Monday, 13 January 2014 19:34 (ten years ago) link
Well, there's at least one song worse than "Same Love" now. If only just one.
http://www.towleroad.com/2014/01/bizzle.html
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Friday, 31 January 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/yyYP1D9.png
― lag∞n, Monday, 3 February 2014 23:52 (ten years ago) link
― Spottie, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 00:10 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/uNA12eE.png
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 04:25 (ten years ago) link
lol
― worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 04:33 (ten years ago) link
i almost geek out over seeing hanstock in the wild but i guess he's known cause sports
― worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 04:35 (ten years ago) link
https://31.media.tumblr.com/1b2c9bbff016f259409f14e8542c5340/tumblr_n123hr5fKB1qf7zwoo1_500.png
― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Friday, 21 February 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP1I3_Vi2ds
― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Friday, 21 February 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
Nitpicking here because I get the point but why is Eminem in that collage?
― Murgatroid, Friday, 21 February 2014 20:11 (ten years ago) link
beats me
― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Friday, 21 February 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
because he's a rapper who has a mug shot?
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Friday, 21 February 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
eminem's origins relevantly different from an evergreen b.a. i guess
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 21 February 2014 20:26 (ten years ago) link
(if not his appearance)
who's top left guy in that collage
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 21 February 2014 22:32 (ten years ago) link
Boosie
― Spottie, Friday, 21 February 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link
some of those pictures are super squished up
― lag∞n, Saturday, 22 February 2014 01:49 (ten years ago) link
thought i cld find one of the guys from the collage posing with police but i cld not (except maklemore)
― lag∞n, Saturday, 22 February 2014 02:11 (ten years ago) link
i mean snoop dogg mustve posed for photos w like half the human race at this point
― lag∞n, Saturday, 22 February 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link