Bands/Artists whose imitators are better than they are

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Haha no Alex I don't like any of those. I don't think the Strokes can match the VU for originality, breadth of vision, artistic integrity etc. but the "producing neat pop songs" aspect of the VU they succeed in perfectly so being the shallow soul I am (and being around in 2003 not 1969) they win.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

(But were Purple really imitators?)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, Jon Lord is way, way better than Ray Manzarek. Weren't they sort of Crazy World of Arthur Brown imitators who evolved?

Anyway, I was thinking more Doors/Jim imitators=Iggy, Patti Smith, Nick Cave, Echo & the Bunnymen.

Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

sonny bono > bob dylan

duane, Monday, 20 January 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

well sometime i think so

duane, Monday, 20 January 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

THE MONKEES WERE LIGHT-YEARS BETTER THAN THE BEATLES

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

but the "producing neat pop songs" aspect of the VU they succeed in perfectly
Not really. A song like "Sunday Morning" is a neater pop song (which is now even used in TV ads for French insurances) than anything by The Strokes. And it is absolutely timeless. Actually I don't think The Strokes are a pop song band. I am not an expert in these matters but I'd guess that a good pop song has some decent lyrics which I don't remember The Strokes had/have. They are doing rather primitive rock with some catchy simple hooks. Forgettable music for the trash bin of rock history.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Strokes aren't catchy at all. I can't even remember how "Last Night" went (and could barely remember the song's name).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah "Sunday Morning" is good actually - it's pretty much out on its own in the VU's catalogue as I remember: I'd like them more if they did more songs like that (though actually I do own Loaded and never play it so maybe not).

Good pop songs can have good lyrics if they want - a good backbeat is better sometimes. The Strokes' lyrics are far from awful and I adore the "catchy simple hooks". I think they imitate other bands as much/more as the VU, I just mentioned them cos they were the first lot that came to mind.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll allow the Beatles comments to go by, but if ANYONE dares state that any George Harrison imitator with any miniscule shread of conceit is better than Georgey himself, then martial law is in effect.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

You're talking about George "I Got My Mind Set On You" Harrison?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

The only one I agree with so far is Elastica being better than Wire.

Oh Vey...

brg30 (brg30), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay Kiwi's isn't Bic Runga much Better than Ani??

brg30 (brg30), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll take "I Got My Mind Set On you" over anything by Kula Shaker, as one of many examples.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bic Runga is probably better than Ani OR Bjork.
Which reminds me: whatever happened to OMC???

How Bizarre, how bizarre.

jeri kiwilan, Monday, 20 January 2003 22:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I might take "I Got My Mind Set On You" over having tacks driven into my butt-cheeks.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sublime are better than the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
P.O.D. are better than Korn.
Crazytown are better than the Chili Peppers OR Korn (but not Sublime.)

chuck, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

And Public Image Ltd. (and the Fall) are better than Can.
And Lifter Puller are better than Pavement.
And Bob Dylan is better than Woody Guthrie.
And Led Zeppelin are better than Cream.
And the Auteurs (and London Suede) are better than the Smiths.
And Guns N Roses are better than Hanoi Rocks.

chuck, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

And Big Black are better than Killing Joke. (Hi Alex!)

jeri curlan, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Jenny Ondioline" > "Für Immer," therefore Stereolab > Neu!

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

KRAFTWERk & SUICIDE! Responsible for a lot of cool new wave bands that totally trounced their minimalist asses in the song department.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

totally trounced their minimalist asses

hahaha the hell they did

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 02:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

so far I think the only thing I wholeheartedly agree with is big black is better than killing joke.
the wire elastica thing makes me sick. wire (pre first split) wrote far better pop songs. were far more groundbreaking and ahead of the game. were just better. elastica weren't even sexy enough to make that a point worth making. I wouldn't.

simon 803 (simon 803), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

thank you Mr. 803

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

KinKs are too "musical" ie there's more to them than Ray's lyrics.
You pieces of shit.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Big Star, surely.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Blur. Thurman to thredd!

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

stereolab > neu! for sure.

i still don't mind the strokes, but is there any truth to that rumor going around that their new alb is being produced by nigel godrich? haha, the mind boggles at how inconceivably bad that's gonna turn out!

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

2pac

boxcubed (boxcubed), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Elvis > Dean Martin

James Blount, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 07:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like PJ Harvey more than Patti Smith, the White Stripes more than Led Zeppelin, and the first Stooges album more than anything by the Doors.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 07:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Frank Zappa inspired LOTS of bands who were better than him: The Tubes, Tin Huey, and MX-80 Sound, for starters.

And Pere Ubu were way better Captain Beefheart.

And Public Enemy (and lots of other rap acts, politically minded and otherwise) are better than the Last Poets or Gil Scott-Heron.

jeri curlan, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Ramones. Influential beyond description. They spawned dozens of groups who were all better than them.

Julien S. (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 03:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Frank Zappa inspired LOTS of bands who were better than him: The Tubes, Tin Huey, and MX-80 Sound, for starters.

Eh? The Tubes better than Zappa? (jeri don't know me very well do she?)

And Pere Ubu were way better Captain Beefheart.

A closer call, but I'd still give it to Beefheart -- mainly because I wouldn't exactly peg Pere Ubu as strictly Beefheart imitators.

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cocteau Twins or Dead Can Dance: the entire genre of dark metal

Dark yes, but metal, absolutely not.

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chuck is right, Lifter Puller are better than Pavement

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 08:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, but you think "Spit on a Stranger" is their best song!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 08:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

the New York Dolls and Guns n Roses were better at being the Stones than the Stones were at the time (tough task fer sure). This applies to countless acts with re: to Bowie as well.

Nirvana >>>>>>>> the Pixies or the Melvins or the Vaselines or whoever else they imitated

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 08:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Said (as in Edward) it before, say (as Say Say Say) El Vez is light years (as in years to who) better (as in Huddie Led) than Elvis (as in Elvis) Presley (as in Elvis).

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't even remember how "Last Night" went

Refer to "This Charming Man" and its Motown shuffle. Now imagine it with nothing good about that combination (like Gene's "This is Not My Crime," f'r instance).

And the Auteurs (and London Suede) are better than the Smiths.

The Auteurs, ARGH! Pain!

I have no doubt about Lifter Puller being better than Pavement, though. But what's a good place to start?

Sublime are better than the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
P.O.D. are better than Korn.
Crazytown are better than the Chili Peppers OR Korn (but not Sublime.)

Everything being relative, I agree with this completely.

that totally trounced their minimalist asses in the song department

"The Model" has a melody and a beat, what more do you want? ;-)

I might take "I Got My Mind Set On You" over having tacks driven into my butt-cheeks.

How about somebody else's butt-cheeks?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Hated*

*this may be a lie.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

No one can imitate the VU and do it better, because a good majority of what made VU what they were was that they did it first.

David Allen, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Doing first != doing best though.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chuck's on the pipe re: Crazytown over the Chili Peppers. Shifty and the Gang's album tracks are 100% bo-sheeet. And I'm the guy who thinks "Butterfly" was the best single of 2001 (which is when the CD single was actually released, not three years ago like that grumpy guy's article said in the Voice last week).

I should hear this Lifter Puller...

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tom Petty beats the Byrds

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

This thread disturbs me.

hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

the strokes and VU were VERY diff from each other. tough to compare.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

one of the many threads that disturb me.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

four months pass...
New Model Army >> The Clash

Michael Dubsky, Sunday, 8 June 2003 06:21 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
the scientists > the birthday party
times ten > the bangs
tugboat > the bats
the spice girls > the beatles.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 September 2003 08:02 (twenty years ago) link

to add to that danava song, as above, lansing-dreiden 'disenchanted' >>>>>>>> everything new order ever did ever

imago, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link

I think ALS was a production triumph. How does Danava improve on it sonically? By adding that synth line?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link

seven years pass...

There are countless ways One Mind Gone Separate Ways improves (for me) on Achilles Last Stand, to the extent it really is not the same song at all. It isn't just superficial stuff like an extra synth line - it adds several extra chords to the sequence, making it much less repetitive and imo more dramatic. There are more fun rhythmic switches, a better and more memorable bass line, different textures adding to the sense of a lush, orchestrated trip, and above all a clearer sense of development throughout the song, featuring a sick bridge section featuring both mellotron and horns falling headlong into a cataclysmic final build slathered in all sorts of astonishing synth bullshit, it's so amazing lol, I'm listening to it again right now in honour of them finally releasing a new album and it's just as incredible as it always was, but above all, it is extremely psychedelic in a way the original song just wasn't. I'd hardly call it an imitation, more that they had an idea based on ALS but took it in some insane psych-prog direction

I mean, you decide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdVrV1XQxXI

imago, Sunday, 7 May 2023 06:13 (eleven months ago) link

Sorry for taking nearly 8 years to reply

imago, Sunday, 7 May 2023 06:14 (eleven months ago) link


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