Oasis - Classic or Dud?

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They were indie in the UK, not indie in the US.

Neither classic nor dud. They got some good suff and some real rubbish.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with the fence-sitter.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

Liam Gallagher was weaned on broken digestives and then married Patsy Kensit. Come the fuck on.

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

The only song I've heard is "Morning Glory" and I think it's rather nice.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

indie as music, not lifestyle - 'Supersonic' and 'Columbia' in particular had an indieish vibe although the guitar was a bit too heavy-rock sounding hence the confusion and dilution of indie once Britpop became a popular term.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

Some of the stuff w/the first drummer, I still kind of like, because it rocks a bit. Other stuff I really find quite horrible. To me they represent an abject surrender by "rock music" in the face of "club music". They make me feel a bit sad.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

1st album was great, 2nd album was good but waaay overrated and definitely not a classic, after that, it's strictly the occasional brilliant single.

Despite the short period of excellence, I've got to go "classic" because they were just SO HUGE from 1994-1996. That's a three year chunk of British music history that has to be viewed in the context of what Oasis were doing/saying/playing at the time, and that sort of dominance is rare in music.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:27 (twenty years ago) link

I was quite taken by the early singles and parts of the first album.

Then pretty dismayed to find that behind the sullen sneer they were the sort of boorish macho dullards I was crossing the street to avoid on my way home in Liverpool every night.

Classic for "Acquiesce"; Dud for most of the rest; Super-Dud for their contribution to "lad culture" and Beatles necrophilia.

Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

i don't see how the fact that indie means something different in america has any bearing on the fact that oasis are a british indie band...
as for classic or dud,they had their moments...
be here now is the worst thing ever though

robin (robin), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

Smashmouth and Third Eye Blind didn't wear parkas. Oasis did.

There was a week in whatever year it came out that I thought Don't Look Back In Anger was the greatest song ever. Then I didn't. Now, I still have a soft spot for it, and a fair few other bits of theirs (Live Forever in particular). Plus Noel Gallagher usually seems to give very entertaining interviews, and does the whole personality crisis schtick (in his case usually manifested as "that last stuff we did was shit, but this is us back on form") a billion times better than Robbie fucking Williams.

Little By Little is very probably one of my least favourite songs ever, though, and lots of their stuff is just very dull. Some Might Say... dear god, no. So, yeah, neither classic nor dud, just somewhere in between.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago) link

I never considered Oasis a necessarily bad band, but they were certainly never worthy of the praise and success they entertained. I can't imagine what the UK saw in them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

if it helps i had a chat with the bassist andy bell last weekend and we discussed kraut-rock, obscure west coast psychedelia and world of twist and he assured me - that - if i were to go out and spend cashmoney on the new one it will be worth it. its ace from all accounts i've heard.

dr doom, Friday, 23 January 2004 23:33 (twenty years ago) link

definitely maybe - is the definite for me. i liked 'morning glory'. i like the cover versions (cat power, ryan adams, mike flowers pop) more than the original wonderwall. third album - nah - don't do coke rock unless its fleetwood mac. fourth album was a wash out though i think little james is a classic. didnt buy fifth album. might d/l sixth album.

dr doom, Friday, 23 January 2004 23:35 (twenty years ago) link

Everybody's right! Every single last one of us!

How exactly were they "huge" (outside of England, I mean)? In the US, as I've written on other threads, they were just another okay band -- about as important as Third Eye Blind or Smashmouth or somebody.
-- chuck (cedd...), January 23rd, 2004.

They are still huge in Mexico, as far as I could tell from last year. Must be the Anglophilia!


Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

Wot 'bout the Masterplan? What's everybody's take on dat one? Some of the b-sides I find to be incredible, but I haven't listened to much of it.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

yeah they are still huge. so huge when andy asked me to send him a mix cd - he wanted me to send it too their management. ha ha ha! i felt like tutti on facts of life when she made the tito paper mache head. i don't think i'm going to do send it on. ha ha.

dr doome, Friday, 23 January 2004 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

Do you laugh like that in real life?

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

i know what happened to tutti's paper mache head!!

dr doom, Friday, 23 January 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago) link

Oasis though the `scope:

The tunes - Inoffensive, if not entirely unoriginal. And overrated.
The lyrics - Mostly shit.
The image (if you care about that sort've thing) - Utterly boring.
"Personality" - Apart from the brothers incomprehensibly berating each other all the time (and that, too, got dull), the band has zero in the personality department....nicknames like "Bonehead" notwithstanding.
Stage presence - Once again, apart from Liam acting like an ass, null & void.
Album cover art - Yawnsome.
Edge - Oft-touted, rarely displayed.
Groove - Non-existant.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:46 (twenty years ago) link

disagree alex. liam's silent thug-lite routine is quite good.

doom, Friday, 23 January 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

For Definitely Maybe, half of What's The Story and The Masterplan, classic. For most of the rest and the incredibly boring tabloid shenannigans, dud.

So a score draw for me.

Chris Jones (Crackity Jones), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

Biscuits. Patsy Kensit.

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

first 2 albums are classic.
3rd album was good kinda
4th album not so good
5th album is the king of not so goodery
and that pretty much sums it up for me

Dude (The Yellow Dart), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:50 (twenty years ago) link

but i'm gonna say classic cause i like the first 2 albums

Dude (The Yellow Dart), Friday, 23 January 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

yeah part of me wishes that they went away after the first - imagine the cult-classic status of the album!! if that happened!!!

when they opened up for neil young - and liam did 'morning glory' - that moment sold me on oasis as a live act.

dr doome, Friday, 23 January 2004 23:52 (twenty years ago) link

yes me too it touched me in ways my step dad couldn't......i have no idea what your talking about by the way

Dude (The Yellow Dart), Saturday, 24 January 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

hooray!

doomies, Saturday, 24 January 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Definition of DUD.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Saturday, 24 January 2004 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

Tico Tico, was it you or Alex who in Frank's APA said that in the future people would hate "Definitely Maybe" the same way we know hate Pink Floyd's "The Wall"? Can you explain what was meant by these comments?

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 25 January 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

i rather liked the Britpop thing UNTIL i saw Oasis live at Knebworth (between Morning Glory and Be Here Now). seeing them live, supported by Ocean Colour Scene and the Manic Street Preaches killed guitar music for me, for about 5 years.

nuff said.

searchanddelete, Sunday, 25 January 2004 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

Tico Tico, was it you or Alex who in Frank's APA said that in the future people would hate "Definitely Maybe" the same way we know hate Pink Floyd's "The Wall"? Can you explain what was meant by these comments?

It wasn't me. I love The Wall.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 25 January 2004 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

Who the fuck hates The Wall? That's, like, the best-produced album ever!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 25 January 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

the U2 of indie.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 25 January 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

it would have been Embra Alex - Alex in NYC was never in Frank's APA.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 25 January 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link

I don't even know what Frank's APA is.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:28 (twenty years ago) link

'Who the fuck hates The Wall?'

Me. Bag of Shite.

pete s, Monday, 26 January 2004 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

And it doesn't surprise me in the least that it's one of Noel's favourite albums. As the Ned-meister would say, 'So much is suddenly clear'.

pete s, Monday, 26 January 2004 00:42 (twenty years ago) link

*bows*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 January 2004 00:46 (twenty years ago) link

"Definitely Maybe" is a great little rock album, tight and focused.
"Whats the Story Morning Glory" is full of filler and overproduced.

Best thing they ever did : "Some Might Say" (UK cd single) - the title track, "Acquiesce", "Talk Tonight" (Noel's best acoustic thingy) and "Headshrinker". Perfect.

Everything after Morning Glory is poo, frankly...

David Nolan (David N.), Monday, 26 January 2004 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

Best thing they ever did : "Some Might Say" (UK cd single)

I agree hands down. Not one step misplaced on that one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 January 2004 01:26 (twenty years ago) link

It might have been both of us DV. If it was Definitely Maybe then I'm not sure what we meant. If it was What's The Story then it was probably just a really crapulent album that everybody at the time was buying.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 26 January 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, the second album would have been better if they didn't have to pull the Stevie Wonder rip off track a week before release, stuck on the other 3 Some Might Say cd single tracks and left off a couple of the crap ones like She's Electric. It would have been ideal for them then to have broken up in 96.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Monday, 26 January 2004 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

The thing is, looking back on 1996 in particular, it seems amazing now to think of quite how HUGE they were. I mean, they dominated everything like no other UK band has done since - they were on the front pages of the tabloids pretty much once a week (alternating with Di and Gazza, obviously) - now I find myself forgetting they're even still around.

Definitely Maybe had some good songs on it, but I'm still coming down on the side of dud. Never saw what was supposed to be so great about Liam's voice.

Classic if only for the interviews, mind.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 January 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

does anyone else think 'Songbird' is ALRIGHT?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

I could probably fill one side of a C60 with Oasis songs I liked. Their offensiveness as a band was completely disproportionately small compared to the stuff they inspired. Since 2000 I've found ignoring them to be far easier than people are making out; I can't imagine *any* of my friends saying, "Ooh, I wonder what the new Oasis album is going to sound like."

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 26 January 2004 12:56 (twenty years ago) link

a friend of mine bought a post Be Here Now Wasis album because someone on ILX said it was good. He blames me for this mistake.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 26 January 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

can't decide if 'Little By Little' is worse than 'Sunday Morning Call' or not - definitely their two worst singles and by some distance

stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2004 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

One of the first bands I got into, so can't really claim to hate them, though I bought none of their stuff after 'Morning Glory,' which I never liked.

The image (if you care about that sort've thing) - Utterly boring

This is missing the point, which was that Oasis were like the crowd up on stage. Plus it wasn't that boring, they had an air of menace -- in the UK.
They weren't 'indie' but they came out of indie 'culture' (ie NME readers, Evening Session listeners). Croation wasn't a 'real' indie by that point, but it was more indie than Columbia, shall we say.

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 26 January 2004 13:45 (twenty years ago) link

sorry stevem 'Go Let It Out' is, and and always will be their worst single. It was also the moment, when I saw the vid on smtv, at which i gave up on them for good.
(i like Sunday Morning Call tho)

pete s, Monday, 26 January 2004 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

All Around The World is their worst!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 26 January 2004 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

Liam fell out of a helicopter

So check this out I fell out the helicopter last night you couldn’t rite it all good who said RnR is dead Keith moon eat your drum skin out C’mon you know LG x pic.twitter.com/MSVR1C6EXk

— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2021

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 18 September 2021 15:20 (two years ago) link

legend

brimstead, Saturday, 18 September 2021 16:36 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

so not gonna happen

rick semper moranis (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 22 June 2023 21:51 (ten months ago) link


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