Avril Lavigne: C/D?

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Avril reminds me of how they have cartoons (both series and movies) with some sort of fantastic adventure, like space travel or being a rockstar or mountain trekking or whatever but there's that one character who is total CRAP but put there so that the kids can identify with someone? That's who she is.
-- Sterling Clover (s_clover...), June 28th, 2002.

this may be my favorite post ever.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:03 (twenty years ago) link

I passed a couple of exact Avril clones in the mall tonight. the hair, the tie, the makeup, the expression - everything. it really creeped me out for some reason.

I saw Avril recently -- probably on MuchMusic -- and she said almost the same thing.

Then she said she's ditching the tie.

Priceless.

David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:22 (twenty years ago) link

Some people just hate teenagers in a kind of irrational orgy of (their own) post-adolescent self-loathing, I guess.

As one, I think I can say sans the post-adolescent self-loathing (but with adolescent self-loathing to spare!) that a good majority of people hate teenagers, because they're dumb.

Especially in the Avril case, with Complicated and Sk8r Boi's incessent whining that preppies just don't get them, and they're tired of being outcasts. Nevermind the borderline racist (yes, I said it) mentality of putting people into such groups -- I'll let it slide, that's what teens do -- but c'mon, skaters aren't the outcasts? It's nerds.

That's why DEVO will always be the ultimate punks.

I think I was trying to make a point, but lost it when DEVO sprung to my mind. Damn. Well, I'll go listen to them now. Right.

David Allen, Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:25 (twenty years ago) link

You see, I'm firmly of the belief that teenagers are absolutely not dumb.

Then again, maybe "mainstream" teenagers are, after all, as dumb as their adult counterparts.

But seriously, I've worked with damaged and hurt (street, abused, neglected) teens for a long time, and they never cease to surprise me (perhaps because I'm dumb?) with their intelligence and insights.

I have this theory that those of us who had crappy transitions into adulthood, if we haven't confronted and in some way "dealt" with them, we tend to view childhood -- and especially adolescence -- as something bad.

I've seen perfectly "nice" adults fuck up their kids royally, and usually over something trivial -- like "if you won't follow the rules of my house, get out!" People: do you ever stop and think what happens to kids out there when no-one but their equally lost friends are looking out for them?

Sorry. Something I got a lot of thoughts and surprising emotion about. I'm not necessarily defending Avril, per se, but just that sense that it's the feeling of being outcast that matters to many, whether it's objectively true or not.

Now back to our scheduled programming...

David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:58 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...
HEY (HEY) YOU (YOU) I DON'T LIKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND
HEY (HEY) YOU (YOU) I THINK YOU NEED A NEW ONE

i think that's the only part of her new obnoxious hyper-pawrp single i like but it's sumpin'

blueski, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm loving this.

baaderonixx, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

AND HELL YEAH I'M THE MOTHERFUCKING PRINCESS

lex pretend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

This reminds me how much I'm looking forward to Courtney Love's new album.

baaderonixx, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

"she's like, so, whatever"

loving this song.

smash your phonograph in half, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I can't stop listening to it.

The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I was very emotional in 2003. Wow.

Lostandfound, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish the whole song were the chorus.

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 2 March 2007 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

^^^ accurate

A B C, Friday, 2 March 2007 06:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Her new look is kinda awkward though

A B C, Friday, 2 March 2007 06:59 (seventeen years ago) link

she looks like veronica mars now

s1ocki, Friday, 2 March 2007 07:39 (seventeen years ago) link

That's a good thing.

baaderonixx, Friday, 2 March 2007 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Why did I guess that The Lex would like this?

kv_nol, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

because it's a really good song?

lex pretend, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

If you say so.

kv_nol, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Avril Lavigne are among the better manufactured mainstream teenybopper acts from recent years. A bit like Bangles/Tranvision Vamp/Go-Go's. Which isn't a bad thing at all.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Generally, the more retro, the better.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

[i]Plus, I've never understood the Avril hate on ILM./[i]

1. She has tunes. Actual great ones with verse and chorus and all
2. There are lots of guitars
3. She isn't R&B nor hip-hop in any possible way

Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I like your notion that Avril is a plural entity. It opens up a world of possibility

DJ Mencap, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Geir you sound quite bitter sometimes.

blueski, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"Girlfriend" pretty much rules.

jaymc, Friday, 2 March 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I was totally thinking Transvision Vamp when I heard this song too!!

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

This song is dreadful and the girl needs to sack a) her producer b) her songwriter c) her stylist.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

wanna segue this into ashlee's 'boyfriend' for a bratty high school double whammy

lex pretend, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

She may sack her stylist,

However, acts such as Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, Brandy and Missy Elliott are the ones who need to sack their producers and songwriters and replace them with Avril Lavigne's. Would improve their music considerably.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't you ever get tired of spouting the bullshit you do? It must be exhausting.

The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

[i]1. She has tunes. Actual great ones with verse and chorus and all
2. There are lots of guitars
3. She isn't R&B nor hip-hop in any possible way [i/]

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Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

1. She has tunes. Actual great ones with verse and chorus and all
2. There are lots of guitars
3. She isn't R&B nor hip-hop in any possible way


http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/images/300/headache_man2.jpg

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'M SO HAPPY.

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

THIS MADE MY DAY EXPONENTIALLY BETTER

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you heard the Cantonese and Japanese versions?

The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

LOL

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG SHE IS SHAKING HER TITS IN TEH VIDEO

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, she has like 20 different versions of the song - Cantonese, Japanese, Protuguese, French...

The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

WAHT

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes it is amazing. But they've been on to it for fucking ever in the teenpop rolling thread. Still the best thread on ilm.

I know, right?, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Bleah.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

you ARE damn precious Avril...

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

hate the bouncy pop-punk bass, but other than that, nice

milo z, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow. The new Avril Lavigne single is dripping with attitude. In fact, it's the best song I've heard this year.
It's incredible - like she's finally ditched all the precious: I'm a little punk rocker - in favor of a much more teenpop approach to relationships. So where Sk8tr Boi was about how her relationships weren't conventional (they had emancipated themselves from the highschool set and were touring professionally) this is set in the standard context of boyfriend -girlfriends. But in doing so, it's the most punk song I've ever heard her sing. It reminds me of Blondie in terms of investing the mundane with attitude.

"Hey, hey, you, you, I don't like your girlfriend. Hey, hey, you, you, I think you need a new one," is far more aggressive. In contrast to Sk8r, where she steals the boy away from his old girlfriend is completely overlooking in favor of the larger tension (he's great, and you missed your chance), here she's actively stealing him. And the opening: Hey, hey, you, you, is almost like a faster: "Ai, Oh, Let's go," without the beat between the noise ("Hey" "Oh") and the narrative ("You, you" "Let's go"). So she's editing out the Ramone's pause in favor of thrusting herself forward. There's huge amounts of pose in here - down to the hand-clapping, which almost sounds as though she applauding herself as she sings. Or maybe even the Stones, singing: "Hey, hey, you, you get off of my cloud," which is probably the more obvious touchstone. Which is perfect! Because she's aggressively pulling you in like the Stone's song chases you away. It's the same attitude, but used to different means.

"Ok fine I want you mine you're so delicious. I think about you all the time you're so addictive. Don't you know what I can do to make you feel alright? (Alright, alright, alright)" Combining the speedy breathlessness of the first two statements, which the echoing 'alright' of the third, it's as though Avril is coming overwhelming the target (and us) by pounding us over and over with the Possibility of Her. By the time it gets to "alright, alright, alright," it sounds like we're responding to the song ourself (also through Avril's voice) agreeing to her. She's puppeting both the predator and the prey - so that she never has to fail.

And then the song launches into the greatest thing I've heard - certainly this year and possibly last as well. "Don't pretend I think you know I'm damn precious / And hell yeah, I'm the motherfucking princess / I can tell you like me too and you know I'm right. (alright, alright, alright)" She simultaneously needs this guy, and doesn't need him at all. She's fine without him - sneering: "You know I'm damn precious." - but she's only saying it because it'll let her get him. And when she sings "I'm the motherfucking princess," she completely slays the entire Paris Hilton album. Just the implicit contradiction of using the word "motherfucking" while describing herself as a "princess" is completely honest, jarring, confusing, and refreshing. It means that a "princess" can use the word "motherfucking." It also means she has a sense of humor about being a "princess." It also means that she's a "princess" /because/ she uses words like "motherfucking," which makes her "precious" which she also understands.

This is thus far my favorite song of 2007. And I predict it'll be in the top 5 if not at the top 1 by the end of the year. I can't imagine anything displacing it. It's much better than the Veronica's 4eva - which was near the top of my list last year.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy) on Monday, February 5, 2007 11:31 PM (3 weeks ago)

I know, right?, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

spot on

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

she is so fucking CUTE

chaki, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I find her whole persona in that song completely repulsive. She's like some sort of nightmare version of a Leo female.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link

YOU TAKE THHAT BACK

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure how I feel about her britches anymore, but I sure listened to Sk8erBoi a lot while playing Elite Beat Agents.

Jeff, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel like this song and her new image are both so incredibly cynical, but the song is AMAZING so it doesn't matter.

The Brainwasher, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link

dud af, fuck outta here

soyrev, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 02:21 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

Interesting story -- glad she's better.

a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

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