Then the playoffs come around, defences tighten up, transition dries up and he's borderline useless half the time. He needs a midrange and a post game.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:16 (ten years ago) link
Monta and K Mart are better than Klay right now.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:17 (ten years ago) link
idk ginobili seemed to have a pretty good career focusing on high value shots
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:17 (ten years ago) link
yeah that is just nonsense dude
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2013 02:18 (ten years ago) link
and yeah a handful of 2s in the_west are having nice starts but none of those guys are superstar caliber
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2013 02:19 (ten years ago) link
lol wtf is james harden ever going to do in the post
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:23 (ten years ago) link
Hardly a fair comparison seeing as Ginobli has played in a slick ball moving outfit his entire career and had the benefit of playing with 2 future hall of famers throughout their prime. Besides the point anyway because Ginobli would not work as a primary scorer in the post season.
And how exactly is it nonsense? Have we not seen how Harden has struggled in the offs?
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:25 (ten years ago) link
he had a really bad finals but has been good in the post eason otherwise iirc
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:30 (ten years ago) link
eh he had a rough series last year too
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:32 (ten years ago) link
his career reg season and postseason stats are essentially the same
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:34 (ten years ago) link
Except he becomes much less efficient
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:35 (ten years ago) link
which is a completely common thing in the playoffs
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:36 (ten years ago) link
because the bad teams arent there
according to what xxp
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:36 (ten years ago) link
Besides the point anyway because Ginobli would not work as a primary scorer in the post season.
― tsrobodo, Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:25 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
~21ppg in 05 playoffs, spurs won the title, and manu is obvs one of the absolute best players of his generation ffs god
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:38 (ten years ago) link
And his game suffers more than most. Its no secret that success in the offs is achieved through halfcourt play and he doesn't have that in his game.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:42 (ten years ago) link
^^^^ feel like i shd ban this tsroboto joker. manu from 03-06 was an all star and one of the craftiest motherfuckers on earth, no one could fuck with him. he carried argentina to gold and would absolutely have been a no 1 on a mediocre team
― shiny trippy people holding bandz (m bison), Monday, 25 November 2013 02:43 (ten years ago) link
Not disputing that, don't know where you got the idea that I was but Tim Duncan was the primary scorer so not sure what you're getting at.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:43 (ten years ago) link
Whoa whoa whoa slow down buddy, tsrobodo you're saying some crazy things
First, who calls the playoffs the 'offs'
― 乒乓, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:43 (ten years ago) link
that manu was tha catalyst to that 05 team and FUCKING ARGENTINA DUDE
― shiny trippy people holding bandz (m bison), Monday, 25 November 2013 02:45 (ten years ago) link
yes, james harden, ranked 5th in points per game last season and so far this season, cannot play halfcourt basketball.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:45 (ten years ago) link
What am I saying that contradicts that?
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:46 (ten years ago) link
Well he can't. The rockets were a running team last year he got a ton of his points in transition.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:47 (ten years ago) link
i'm just waiting for you to provide any piece of evidence that he's a markedly different player in the playoffs
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:47 (ten years ago) link
also provide evidence for that statement, pls
ginoboli will prob end up in the HOF himself.
that's my contribution to this discussion.
― Clay, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:48 (ten years ago) link
He shot 39% last year having shot 44% for the season.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:51 (ten years ago) link
Not saying he's a different player. He does the same things but the drop in efficiency is a problem.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:54 (ten years ago) link
and in his career it's like 43% vs. 42%, but that six-game sample in his first series as a team's #1 option is extremely meaningful i'm sure
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:55 (ten years ago) link
Eh lebron shot 56 on the season and 49 in the "'"'offs'"'" last year
Clear to me that Bron desperately needs to develop a half court + post game
― 乒乓, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:55 (ten years ago) link
Lebrons efficiency already far outstrips his team and we know he watches his stats in the regular season. He can shoot high volume at 49% and not drag his team down.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link
i want to know who, at 6'5 and 220, james harden is going to post up
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link
Look, the idea his for the vast majority of players a shot between 3 ft and the arc is a higher % shot than a 3. Harden has such a terrible midrange game that it isn't. No team wants to live by the 3 in the playoffs because once you go cold there ain't much else you can do except drive and hope you get calls and the refs tend to swallow their whistles in the playoffs.
I just don't see Harden being successful as a primary scorer in the playoffs.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:01 (ten years ago) link
I dunno probably the same people Kobe does with his turnaround J.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link
rockets average pace for the 2013 regular season = 96.1average pace for their 6 games in the playoffs last year = 94.4, so basically no difference. harden had his best game in a game with 92 possessions
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2013 03:04 (ten years ago) link
but but that goes against some anecdotal nonsense that someone said on the espn pregame show
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:06 (ten years ago) link
Look, the idea his for the vast majority of players a shot between 3 ft and the arc is a higher % shot than a 3.
you realize that threes are worth more, right. the fuck is this guy?
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2013 03:06 (ten years ago) link
That's because they were facing a team that could run and do it better.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:07 (ten years ago) link
worth more, but harder to get. especially in the playoffs where there's better 3 pt defense.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
Tsrobodo is basically correct that teams stop shooting 3s in the playoffs. In fact I can't recall ever seeing a team shoot a 3 in the playoffs in the last 10 years
― 乒乓, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
tsrobodo more like true shooting pct (ts%)roboto
― shiny trippy people holding bandz (m bison), Monday, 25 November 2013 03:10 (ten years ago) link
Domo arigato tsrobodo
― 乒乓, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:11 (ten years ago) link
The part where I say teams stop shooting 3's?
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:11 (ten years ago) link
― tsrobodo, Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:09 PM (2 minutes ago)
three pointers are higher value shots than midrange jumpers, this is accepted by virtually everyone who has any idea what they're talking about. i'm not going to big bird basketball 101 to you anymore
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2013 03:14 (ten years ago) link
ok moving beyond this ridiculous argument, this sounds cool:
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA 7mThere will be similar clickable video for assists, turnovers, steals, rebounds, but NOT fouls. Archive will include last season, too. Reply Retweet Favorite More Expand Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA 8mFor example: If LeBron is 10-of-16 from the floor, fans can click on that "16," and see a video reel of all 16 LeBron shots. Reply Retweet Favorite More Expand Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA 9mNBA will announce tomorrow that box scores with video links will be available to all fans on http://NBA.com .
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:17 (ten years ago) link
Why do you keep disputing things that I haven't said. Three point shots are higher value but they're harder to create space for . Players that can isolate are useful in the post season for that very reason.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:17 (ten years ago) link
i guess probably because it's as valid as you saying a bunch of received-wisdom types things that you are not backing up with evidence
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:19 (ten years ago) link
Just saying what I think based on what I've seen, what do you expect me to pull stat sheets out of my ass? If I'm wrong, tell me why. No point getting heated and dismissive cause some dude you don't know said some shit you don't agree with.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:22 (ten years ago) link
tbf people have told you why and provided you with stats
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:24 (ten years ago) link
Most of which (can't be sure seeing as, ya'll love to pile on) I tried to rebut.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 25 November 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link