in these, the waning days of stern: 2013-2014 NBA regular season thread (part 1)

idk ginobili seemed to have a pretty good career focusing on high value shots

yeah that is just nonsense dude

and yeah a handful of 2s in the_west are having nice starts but none of those guys are superstar caliber

lol wtf is james harden ever going to do in the post

Hardly a fair comparison seeing as Ginobli has played in a slick ball moving outfit his entire career and had the benefit of playing with 2 future hall of famers throughout their prime. Besides the point anyway because Ginobli would not work as a primary scorer in the post season.

And how exactly is it nonsense? Have we not seen how Harden has struggled in the offs?

he had a really bad finals but has been good in the post eason otherwise iirc

eh he had a rough series last year too

his career reg season and postseason stats are essentially the same

Except he becomes much less efficient

which is a completely common thing in the playoffs

because the bad teams arent there

according to what xxp

Besides the point anyway because Ginobli would not work as a primary scorer in the post season.

― tsrobodo, Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:25 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

~21ppg in 05 playoffs, spurs won the title, and manu is obvs one of the absolute best players of his generation ffs god

And his game suffers more than most. Its no secret that success in the offs is achieved through halfcourt play and he doesn't have that in his game.

^^^^ feel like i shd ban this tsroboto joker. manu from 03-06 was an all star and one of the craftiest motherfuckers on earth, no one could fuck with him. he carried argentina to gold and would absolutely have been a no 1 on a mediocre team

Not disputing that, don't know where you got the idea that I was but Tim Duncan was the primary scorer so not sure what you're getting at.

Whoa whoa whoa slow down buddy, tsrobodo you're saying some crazy things

First, who calls the playoffs the 'offs'

that manu was tha catalyst to that 05 team and FUCKING ARGENTINA DUDE

yes, james harden, ranked 5th in points per game last season and so far this season, cannot play halfcourt basketball.

What am I saying that contradicts that?

Well he can't. The rockets were a running team last year he got a ton of his points in transition.

i'm just waiting for you to provide any piece of evidence that he's a markedly different player in the playoffs

also provide evidence for that statement, pls

ginoboli will prob end up in the HOF himself.

that's my contribution to this discussion.

He shot 39% last year having shot 44% for the season.

Not saying he's a different player. He does the same things but the drop in efficiency is a problem.

and in his career it's like 43% vs. 42%, but that six-game sample in his first series as a team's #1 option is extremely meaningful i'm sure

Eh lebron shot 56 on the season and 49 in the "'"'offs'"'" last year

Clear to me that Bron desperately needs to develop a half court + post game

Lebrons efficiency already far outstrips his team and we know he watches his stats in the regular season. He can shoot high volume at 49% and not drag his team down.

i want to know who, at 6'5 and 220, james harden is going to post up

Look, the idea his for the vast majority of players a shot between 3 ft and the arc is a higher % shot than a 3. Harden has such a terrible midrange game that it isn't. No team wants to live by the 3 in the playoffs because once you go cold there ain't much else you can do except drive and hope you get calls and the refs tend to swallow their whistles in the playoffs.

I just don't see Harden being successful as a primary scorer in the playoffs.

I dunno probably the same people Kobe does with his turnaround J.

rockets average pace for the 2013 regular season = 96.1
average pace for their 6 games in the playoffs last year = 94.4, so basically no difference. harden had his best game in a game with 92 possessions

but but that goes against some anecdotal nonsense that someone said on the espn pregame show

Look, the idea his for the vast majority of players a shot between 3 ft and the arc is a higher % shot than a 3.

you realize that threes are worth more, right. the fuck is this guy?

That's because they were facing a team that could run and do it better.

worth more, but harder to get. especially in the playoffs where there's better 3 pt defense.

Tsrobodo is basically correct that teams stop shooting 3s in the playoffs. In fact I can't recall ever seeing a team shoot a 3 in the playoffs in the last 10 years

tsrobodo more like true shooting pct (ts%)roboto

Domo arigato tsrobodo

The part where I say teams stop shooting 3's?

worth more, but harder to get. especially in the playoffs where there's better 3 pt defense.

― tsrobodo, Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:09 PM (2 minutes ago)

three pointers are higher value shots than midrange jumpers, this is accepted by virtually everyone who has any idea what they're talking about. i'm not going to big bird basketball 101 to you anymore

ok moving beyond this ridiculous argument, this sounds cool:

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There will be similar clickable video for assists, turnovers, steals, rebounds, but NOT fouls. Archive will include last season, too.
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For example: If LeBron is 10-of-16 from the floor, fans can click on that "16," and see a video reel of all 16 LeBron shots.
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NBA will announce tomorrow that box scores with video links will be available to all fans on http://NBA.com .

Why do you keep disputing things that I haven't said. Three point shots are higher value but they're harder to create space for . Players that can isolate are useful in the post season for that very reason.

i guess probably because it's as valid as you saying a bunch of received-wisdom types things that you are not backing up with evidence

Just saying what I think based on what I've seen, what do you expect me to pull stat sheets out of my ass? If I'm wrong, tell me why. No point getting heated and dismissive cause some dude you don't know said some shit you don't agree with.

tbf people have told you why and provided you with stats

Most of which (can't be sure seeing as, ya'll love to pile on) I tried to rebut.

if you're going to make a claim that is contrary to most folks' understanding of the nba or of a particular player, then yes it would be nice if you came with some stats. they're all over the place, it's not really much to ask.

i want to know who, at 6'5 and 220, james harden is going to post up

― call all destroyer, Monday, November 25, 2013 2:58 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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