in these, the waning days of stern: 2013-2014 NBA regular season thread (part 1)

a lot of his rare midrange shots I should say xp

it's prob synergy, i was looking earlier and like 82 games and hoopdata didn't have it

xp

he's not a good 3 point shooter

he shot 36.5% on an insane amount of attempts last year doggie, 39% the year before. he's not steph curry but his 3 point shot is effective

basically if you can break 35% you should be shooting as many 3s as possible

he shot 36.5% on an insane amount of attempts last year doggie, 39% the year before. he's not steph curry but his 3 point shot is effective

― k3vin k., Monday, November 25, 2013 3:41 AM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he is average. An average 3 point shooter.

Yah man gotta be up around 40 to have green light all day.

esp nowadays, how many dudes now can crack 45% even?

shooting a 3 at 35% gives an expected points per shot of 1.15, which would be the best offense in the league. those are the shots teams should be maximizing, and the trend is clear -- the league average 3 point rate is over 25% this year, and has been steadily climbing.

He doesn't isolate, he sets high picks and shoots right and drives left. He's the primary ball handler and jacks up a lot of late shots its hardly surprising that his FGs aren't assisted on.

And no he is well below average from midrange Last season he shot about 31%, league average was about 40% and that wasn't his first season of poor midrange shooting. If he could be iso Joe we've seen nothing to suggest that.

Haven't got a synergy subscription and such stats are hard to come by. In fact stats in general are hard to come by because he's only played 6 playoff games as a primary scorer, and stats from OKC aren't all that useful, so yes what I'm saying involves a lot of conjecture but I think broader stats bear out what I'm saying.

shooting a 3 at 35% gives an expected points per shot of 1.15, which would be the best offense in the league. those are the shots teams should be maximizing, and the trend is clear -- the league average 3 point rate is over 25% this year, and has been steadily climbing.

― k3vin k., Monday, November 25, 2013 3:49 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Do you think Kirk Hinrich should shoot 3s whenever he gets a chance

there are other people on the court. Who shoot threes better than he does. He's not that good at it.

he plays for the bulls so yes

I mean your argument in favor of three point shooting in general is fine, but he's not a "good" three point shooter by NBA standards.

there are other people on the court. Who shoot threes better than he does. He's not that good at it.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:52 PM (32 seconds ago)

yes, and these people are not as skilled at getting their own shots and have to be assisted more often. which is fine, but it's why i don't think the rockets should just give francisco garcia the ball and tell him to jack up as many 3s as possible (same with hinrich)

harden plays 39.3 minutes a game, has a usage rate of 27.1%, and his 3 point rate is 41.5%, which means that about 8% of all of houston's possessions are harden 3 pointers. given that he he's a 36.6% career 3 point shooter, that's a good thing, and something i'm sure houston's management wants to maximize

lol bro ok average to slightly above average, whatever, harden is obv a good shooter the guy is not rudy gay or something.

anyway onto more important topics:

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but it's why i don't think the rockets should just give francisco garcia the ball and tell him to jack up as many 3s as possible (same with hinrich)
― k3vin k., Monday, November 25, 2013 4:01 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but you just said Hinrich should jack up threes whenever

because he plays for the bulls

also just to correct myself shooting 35% on threes would equate to 1.05 ppp not 1.15, which is still a bit above average

Rudy gay jacks up a ton of threes at 34.4% career, so with a couple good months it would be a winning shot in your eyes

homie that was a lil joke xp

anyone who shoots at least average on 3s should maximize the % of their own shots that are 3s, for someone like hinrich this probably means designing an offense that gets him open so someone can pass to him, for someone like harden who can create on his own this means giving him the green light

if gay could bring his 3p% up above 35% in just a couple of months he would have to shoot like 90% which means yes it'd be a good shot for the time being ;)

anyone who shoots at least average on 3s should maximize the % of their own shots that are 3s, for someone like hinrich this probably means designing an offense that gets him open so someone can pass to him, for someone like harden who can create on his own this means giving him the green light

― k3vin k., Monday, November 25, 2013 4:13 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pretty sure Hinrich is already open a ton, no need for designing

and the bulls offense is doing so well, maybe i'm crazy

Harden is good enough that you have to respect him enough to come up on him which is what opens up his biggest strength which is of course eurostepping his way to the basket and swinging his arms up and through defenders arms for fouls.

anecdotally I think harden would be a better 3 point shooter if he was taking open spot up 3's--but, and I could be wrong, it seems like a significant portion of his 3 pointers are a higher degree of difficulty (ie, raising up over a defender or 2-3 feet back from the line).

would be interesting to see what the numbers are on pure spot up vs. pull up. He seemingly got a lot of wide open spot up looks in OKC and didn't do particularly well in general.

kinda pumped for Suns/Heat tomorrow.

would be interesting to see what the numbers are on pure spot up vs. pull up. He seemingly got a lot of wide open spot up looks in OKC and didn't do particularly well in general.

― Matt Armstrong, Monday, November 25, 2013 12:16 AM (21 minutes ago)

those numbers exist somewhere too, probably also synergy. guys like lowe cite them all the time. i feel like it's not too long until those kinds of stats are more widely available

to me spotting up should only count if there is no dribble at all, and I don't 100% trust synergy on that. they do have spot up numbers tho.

I wish synergy was easier to navigate with players. Team numbers are much better.

do you have synergy? tell us the #s!

well I'm still trying to figure out how to search previous seasons, but in this season basically all his 3 point shooting is the same. Spotups and Pick and rolls both 33.3%

ok last year he was very good in P&R and spot up at 39.5% each, but dreadful in isos at 31%. So I guess he just needs to stop being an idiot and taking dumb 3s.

Strangely enough in OKC he was actually pretty good at iso 3s.

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― k3vin k., Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol great advice thx dad

that is a very funny tweet

lebro knows all about turning down shenanigans

everyone in the world told be to turn down the shenanigans a little and i did and it worked and im winning

'nanigans

mmm

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esp nowadays, how many dudes now can crack 45% even?

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i'm scared to even venture into this new land of dynamic nba box scores, i have work to do today

yes glad i am at the office, will check later

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that they didn't state "regular season" is meaningful right

right?