in these, the waning days of stern: 2013-2014 NBA regular season thread (part 1)

or do you mean the best superstar player who also became a great coach

yeah I mean superstar players. I don't actually know how good Jackson was as a player!

Well he's already doing better than Isaiah

Larry Bird was a pretty great coach imo

i guess nate mcmillan or doc rivers

my fav wolves blog on the williams/camaroon prince of my dreams trade:
http://www.awolfamongwolves.com/2013/11/report-wolves-trading-derrick-williams-to-kings-for-luc-richard-mbah-a-moute/#more-2204

There is a certain point in which divorcing yourself of a player’s draft position becomes the only logical step in understanding what their value is in the NBA. Derrick Williams is one of those players. Yep, he was the second pick in the 2011 NBA Draft. That wasn’t very long ago. The potential he was dripping with leading up to that draft and his rookie season has dried up and isn’t anything people around the league are really counting on. It doesn’t mean he can’t be a really good player in this league; it just means nobody is pretending he can be a franchise-changing guy at any point in his career.

Because he’s a former No. 2 pick in the draft, it makes people expect him to still have star qualities. I don’t want to be harsh here but he just doesn’t have that. Even when he goes up for a dunk, there is a good contingent of Wolves fans wondering if he’s going to finish it. That’s mostly because he missed 12 dunks last season, which is a lot when you’re only attempting 80 of them. Of the previous 10 No. 2 picks in the draft (we’re not counting 2013), only a handful of them are guys you’d really want on your team.

Darko Milicic, Marvin Williams, Michael Beasley, Hasheem Thabeet, and Derrick Williams are guys that were either reaches because of poor scouting or reaches because their draft wasn’t very good. Darko, Williams, Beasley, and Thabeet were results of poor scouting. Williams was a product of being in a crappy draft with very little guarantee of an impact player at the time of the pick. And the jury is still out on Evan Turner but it’s unlikely he turns into a franchise guy. What was their value when they were dealt?

wait so is that trade happening or what

that trade still seems underwhelming to me but having a very good situational guy like moute is good for a playoff team

wow didnt realize gay was coaching the raptors now, doesnt seem like the best hire tbh

seems to be living up to his name, nipping butts and all, can't say they didn't know what they were getting themselves into

ok these new video things on nba.com are v cool, sort of wish they'd do it for in-game box scores tho

wow such demands

*goes to play bball*

checks kevins in game line

yeah this is cool tho in my imagination it was an elegant supercut, not a video playlist of individual possessions.

weird so according to zach lowe the pacers signed PG to the exclusive 5 year deal buuuuuuut gave him an opt out after 4 years?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10038731/paul-george-commitment-improvement-pacers-thinking-nba-title

george and love shd be p dece building blocks in l.a.

i guess it's worth the gamble if it frees up some money but idk how about they just pay a little bit of tax? hmmm

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ_4IekCQAAq0Jo.jpg:large

d will for luke richard trade went thru

Thank god the nets are rid of that monster contract

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"You won't find experience, leadership, heart & toughness on a stat sheet” R.Gay - interestingly enough you won’t find them in R. Gay either

poor rudy gay

If you think you've seen the Blazers looking at iPads on the bench during games, your eyes are not deceiving you. Multiple members of the team are indeed viewing game tape on the bench, during games, with an eye towards strategic adjustments.

in a way gay is right, seeing that he went 6/19 is probably not gonna help anything. maybe team stats are good things for the coach to talk about when it comes to schemes

on sunday night i was watching bill belichick try and corral a stapled piece of paper with photos of formations on the sideline and was thinking why nfl teams aren't all using ipads all the time for this shit

nfl guys have been watching slightly delayed game tape for a couple of decades, though. Think it's cool nba guys are getting to look at tape and adjust next time they check in.

Bryant says Lakers extension "makes me want to run through a wall for them."

or ride in a helicopter over the wall

he can run into a wall I'm fine with that

read some thing abt ipads and the nfl apparently it's some league wide thing that they needed to agree on and theyll be using them next season, tons of teams use them during the week but arent allowed to during games wtf

in a way gay is right, seeing that he went 6/19 is probably not gonna help anything. maybe team stats are good things for the coach to talk about when it comes to schemes

― k3vin k., Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:16 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

srs? its def super important to know how you did

Stats in larger samples are important, but I don't think it's important to know how poorly you did in one game right after it's over.

naw u got to know preferably during the game

lol simmons trying to trade any halfway productive celtics vet on twitter

like its not surprising rudy gay would be leading this revolt guy has been straight up in denial his entire career

naw u got to know preferably during the game

― lag∞n, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:10 PM (28 seconds ago)

i mean i'm not sure what seeing your raw stats really does, rudy gay probably knows he misses a lot of shots, clearly it's not something he's able to fix on his own with a stat sheet

if the argument if for better stats then fine, like you took a bunch of shots early in the shot clock that are not the type of shots you make etc

if your argument is Rudy gay obvs will not listen then that seems like more of an issue. with gay than with stats. maybe he hasnt been shown enough stats idk

well right i mean obv it can't just be fg% or something

Imho fg% is better than nothing

read some thing abt ipads and the nfl apparently it's some league wide thing that they needed to agree on and theyll be using them next season, tons of teams use them during the week but arent allowed to during games wtf

― lag∞n, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Lol just imagining 5 color printers on the sideline furiously printing out screencaps

mchale raises an interesting question that you guys can probably answer better than I can: who's the best player to also be a good/successful coach? (jury still out on mchale I guess--he probably has another year at best to produce major results)

― ryan, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think his job is pretty safe right now in general

Lenny Wilkens is probably the greatest player to become a great coach

http://celticshub.com/2013/11/26/jared-sullingers-post-defense-has-been-excellent/

i second bird, he only coached for three years but he seemed very good at it, obvs a v good gm too, also i think he was a good player

oh man sullinger is still so fat, i guess he had back surgery so he has an excuse but still v curious to see how good hell be if he ever gets in shape

sullinger's interviews about his weight are pretty endearing, he's like "yeah I'm fat, I'm working on it." Says Kevin Love is his role model for losing weight.

i second bird, he only coached for three years but he seemed very good at it, obvs a v good gm too, also i think he was a good player

― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:45 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Imagine what we'd think of him as a GM if Kahn had accepted the Jonny Flynn trade.

Bird probably the only guy to do the trifecta though.

altho nellie did draft Dirk!