in these, the waning days of stern: 2013-2014 NBA regular season thread (part 1)

mchale raises an interesting question that you guys can probably answer better than I can: who's the best player to also be a good/successful coach? (jury still out on mchale I guess--he probably has another year at best to produce major results)

― ryan, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think his job is pretty safe right now in general

Lenny Wilkens is probably the greatest player to become a great coach

http://celticshub.com/2013/11/26/jared-sullingers-post-defense-has-been-excellent/

i second bird, he only coached for three years but he seemed very good at it, obvs a v good gm too, also i think he was a good player

oh man sullinger is still so fat, i guess he had back surgery so he has an excuse but still v curious to see how good hell be if he ever gets in shape

sullinger's interviews about his weight are pretty endearing, he's like "yeah I'm fat, I'm working on it." Says Kevin Love is his role model for losing weight.

i second bird, he only coached for three years but he seemed very good at it, obvs a v good gm too, also i think he was a good player

― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:45 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Imagine what we'd think of him as a GM if Kahn had accepted the Jonny Flynn trade.

Bird probably the only guy to do the trifecta though.

altho nellie did draft Dirk!

bill russell was pretty good at coaching and playing at the same time

Jerry Sloan, two time all-star and four time all-defensive first teamer, probably my answer tho

guess it depends on what yr standard for playing greatness is

fair enough, I change my answer to scott skiles

he had 30 assists in one game

I like his name, scott skiles, it's kinda funny and makes me laugh

Jerry Sloan, two time all-star and four time all-defensive first teamer, probably my answer tho

― Clay, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:02 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he was a good play but not on Wilkens' level. Can make the case that Nellie was better.

Kobe Bryant ‏@kobebryant 7m
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#wakeupsheeple #mambaout

i hate kobles, but i support kobe getting that paper, fuck team, go for mines

Kobe's only half right. I'd be pretty surprised if anything in the CBA says that players "have to be selfless" when it comes to the salary cap. Pretty sure that part is optional.

ctc xp

he's referring to the criticism he's gotten for the deal xp

kobels otm

that criticism comes from fans and other outsiders. the correct kobe answer to that is, "See this money. It's my fuck you money. So, fuck you."

the rules on to for which we make do for why

kobe knows selflessness is for clowns who don't have multiple rings and a lock on the hof

have no sympathy for kobe, the CBA wars aren't about superstars they're about journeymen who have short careers and end up hurt with no health benefits. kobe is rich for life regardless -- why does he need 25 million instead of like, 12? he's probably worth like 300. he's entitled to do whatever he wants, but i wish his fans would acknowledge that guys like lebron, KD, etc took less to help their teams while kobe's been all about him

by KD i mean KG

kobe is right in that the owners manipulated the situation and set up the dynamic in which he is either selfish or not

the extension definitely adds some fun drama to his comeback, looking forward to it

There was already a hard cap before the lockout.

And Garnett and Duncan were "selfless" before the lockout.

kobe is right in that the owners manipulated the situation and set up the dynamic in which he is either selfish or not

― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:10 AM (6 minutes ago)

in the sense that if there were no salary cap this would be a non-issue, but the "millionaires vs billionaires" debate etc is a separate thing from this

Like if you want to say fuck the owners that's cool but you actually are limiting their ability to field a competitive team.

owner agreed to the deal too

It is amazing though that people are giving him shit when so many lesser players have received max money

that kobe tweet is awesome i don't care if he's almost a billionaire anyway

it's not that amazing. it's an unprecedented contract outside of michael's final years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RgDdk99m6c

It's almost as if he doesn't desperately need to get a sixth ring, or doesn't want to sacrifice so he can help ... like ... Carmelo Anthony get a ring?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-billy-hunter-kobe-bryant-meddled-20131121,0,987427.story#axzz2loxKBgcB

He should really sacrifice for one of the least deserving fanbases in the universe.

i don't think anyone is really arguing that kobe SHOULD be taking substantially less money. but it's certainly worth pointing out that he clearly stands out in recent history.

Plenty of people are arguing that. Not in this thread of course.

xp

Duncan and Garnett were selfless because they valued some things more than they valued X amount more money on top of the money they already had and were guaranteed to make. Kobe took the max amount he could get because he currently has nothing he values more than getting the max money he can get.

The fans criticize kobe and not Duncan or KG, because the fans value a winning team more than they value Kobe getting max money. This makes sense, because whatever amount of money kobe makes, he doesn't play any differently for them to watch. Kobe understands that and resents the fans for wanting him to be paid less.

Kobe's position is very defensible, but the fact remains that he's a jerk, no matter what he's paid.

kobe is selflessly saving us from another year of joe johnson being the highest payed dude out there

i don't even think that many people outside this thread are arguing that but i don't read LA press

I feel like even if Kobe took the vet minimum the Lakers are not sniffing the Finals.

i haven't read much idiot-response to the signing but i'd bet the average laker fan is thrilled, if anything they probably think he's underpaid

aimless seems pretty on point to me