http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1367110/hostile-aircraft-could-be-shot-down-air-defence-zone-pla-general
This gives China a 'way out' - they'll just claim any aircraft they don't challenge was not acting 'hostile'
But it's generally a boneheaded move by China in general, esp w/r/t antagonizing South Korea
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 14:36 (ten years ago) link
Reading that ADIZ's are not governed by any sort of international standards and are unilaterally set by countries
Japan's was sketched in 1969
Willing to bet that at least part of the reason China is doing this is because they're playing a game of Mr. Me Too
Terrible timing though, or at the very least befuddling - really can't think of any strategic advantage that China gains at this point, other than being able to point at it 10, 15 years down the line and saying that it's become legitimate through time
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link
Last post on the subject I promise but this is being an intersection of Fallows' two most favorite topics, flying and China, I defer to his authority
http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/11/how-to-think-about-the-chinese-air-defense-news/281871/
And Fallows big ups this dude here
http://www.andrewerickson.com/2013/11/whats-wrong-with-chinas-air-defence-identification-zone-and-whats-not/
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2013/11/25/watch-this-space-chinas-new-air-defense-zone/
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 15:16 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/world/asia/japan-south-korea-fly-military-planes-in-zone-set-by-china.html?hp&_r=0
― Mordy , Friday, 29 November 2013 03:35 (ten years ago) link
Can anyone recommend good books dealing with China's economic transition from the death of Mao roughly to the present?
― i wish i had a skateboard i could skate away on (Hurting 2), Saturday, 30 November 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/WLTyrAj.jpg
― 乒乓, Sunday, 8 December 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link
http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1378201/anti-firewall-tool-lantern-infiltrated-chinese-censors
I had been counting on using Lantern when I go to SH :\
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
freegate, bankrolled by falun gong and their new tang dynasty media empire,,, is still free and and still works. cheap shortterm alternative to a vpn.
― dylannn, Thursday, 12 December 2013 02:40 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/dec/10/china-five-pounds-facts/
― Mordy , Thursday, 12 December 2013 03:31 (ten years ago) link
http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1378897/chinese-shop-owners-argentina-arm-themselves-guns-amid-violent
― 乒乓, Thursday, 12 December 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/18/a-chinese-coal-baron-tumbles-into-debt/
I remember this wedding. Now the guy's company is bankrupt
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:08 (ten years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/max-baucus-ambassador-china-101300.html
Lol who the hell is Max Baucus
― 乒乓, Thursday, 19 December 2013 13:26 (ten years ago) link
Happy birthday old Mao
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link
Hey Dayo where is your chinese food thread and where should we go tonight for Christmas chinese food in Flushing (or did you tell me you don't really know Flushing spots too well?)
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 25 December 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
Fu run and get the Islamic lambchop + cumin lamb + pinecone fish
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
Probably the jew\chinese thread would be best for today haha
The food thread is called mott street and it's on 7 7
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 20:58 (ten years ago) link
Might be translated as squirrel fish idk
It's a sweet and sour dish
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 21:12 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ha, I didn't see this but that's exactly where I went, and we did order the islamic lambchop but not the other two things. We will definitely be going back. We also had some pork/leek DUMPLINGS!, a cucumber seaweed egg drop soup, and a watercress with shrimp paste. Everything was really good. The watercress was kind of the least good because it was so heavily flavored you couldn't really taste the watercress, which already has a lot of flavor normally.
It seems like the thing everyone orders there now are these giant bone-in meat hunks (maybe pork ribs?) that you eat with a plastic glove.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 December 2013 03:28 (ten years ago) link
sorry, that "DUMPLINGS!" was not supposed to be all caps with an exclamation point
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1488037_10153634945635304_574877020_n.jpg
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 December 2013 03:30 (ten years ago) link
Looks good my man. I keep on trying to get people to go to Flushing but nobody bites
― 乒乓, Thursday, 26 December 2013 03:32 (ten years ago) link
Well it's just on the other side of the park from us. I like it there a lot.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 December 2013 03:38 (ten years ago) link
There was like one other white people table and I got to feel all superior because they ordered bullshit like chicken fried rice and sesame chicken.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 December 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/12/how-andy-warhol-explains-chinas-attitudes-toward-chairman-mao/282665/
*massive yawn*
― 乒乓, Saturday, 28 December 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link
http://black-in-asia.com/post/71398835866/its-fascinating-looking-at-representations-of
http://chineseposters.net/themes/african-friends.php
― 龜, Sunday, 5 January 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-renews-western-journalists-visas-after-months-long-standoff/2014/01/09/fde67b9c-792c-11e3-8963-b4b654bcc9b2_story.html
Ramzy out. Jesus christ
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 12:33 (ten years ago) link
http://shanghaiist.com/2014/01/10/taipei-vs-beijing-a-travelers-perspective.php
Hey Caroline Hasselle, fuck you
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 12:39 (ten years ago) link
don't agree with some of those points but jeez it doesn't merit a "fuck you"
― een, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:40 (ten years ago) link
No it's bullshit "which of these countries makes me feel more like an entitled white tourist" flab
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
why does it matter if some white people want to vacation places with clean air and where all the websites they use aren't blocked? not everyone has to be about that ~realness~
― een, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:48 (ten years ago) link
Well they should go to Cancun then
3. Religion is an integral component of life in Taiwan.Christianity has an obvious presence — my granddaughter goes to a Christian school. Buddhist temples in China are largely filled with tourists. It was the crowds of real worshipers in the temples of Taiwan that struck me. The temples I saw in mainland China were more like sterile artifacts. In Taiwan I could observe the religion in action and began to gain a greater understanding of it. It is a shame that such a rich part of the Asian culture has been wiped away in modern China....10. I saw more ancient Chinese artifacts in Taiwan than in the Chinese mainland.The Forbidden City and Summer Place were somehow disappointing - nothing but buildings — beautiful, but merely shells. All the good stuff appears to be in the National Palace Museum in Taipei. Apparently this was because the KMT took it all, after China’s Communist Party (CCP) took over. Perhaps it was a good thing, considering the destruction of the many relics that occurred during the Cultural Revolution. It is a well worth a trip to see. You get a much stronger sense of the culture and history from seeing these relics.
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10. I saw more ancient Chinese artifacts in Taiwan than in the Chinese mainland.The Forbidden City and Summer Place were somehow disappointing - nothing but buildings — beautiful, but merely shells. All the good stuff appears to be in the National Palace Museum in Taipei. Apparently this was because the KMT took it all, after China’s Communist Party (CCP) took over. Perhaps it was a good thing, considering the destruction of the many relics that occurred during the Cultural Revolution. It is a well worth a trip to see. You get a much stronger sense of the culture and history from seeing these relics.
You can convey these thoughts without saying bullshit like "It is a shame that such a rich part of the Asian culture has been wiped away in modern China" or "Perhaps it was a good thing [that the KMT took so many relics]"
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
"I just want to see Chinese people acting and performing in ways that conform to what I think Chinese people should be like"
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
i mean i would factually debate the claim that there's "more of the good stuff" in taiwan than in mainland at this point in history, but i wouldn't dispute that a lot of stuff was destroyed in the Cultural Revolution and that that sucks. i also don't think that wanting to see certain artifacts in a museum is some kind of indefensible racialist objectification: museums are venues where cultures are performed.
as far as whatever sense of sacrament is lost in mainland temples i think westerners are far more to blame for that (kfc in a hutong right next to yonghegong), which obv is only right to point out. again i'm not sure what she factually means by people being "more genuinely religious" in taiwan, but yeah i mean whatever response i can imagine wouldn't be defensible. so that part is fucked up, i agree
― een, Friday, 10 January 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
Like museums elsewhere the museums in China have waaaaaaaaay more stuff than they can actually display at one time. What she means is simply that Taiwan has better copied Western modes of presenting historical artifacts, it's not about actual numbers of artifacts at all. She's being very lazy
Anyway all the "good stuff" isn't in Taiwan it's overseas, transported out on imperialist Western galleys floating on the blood of their Chinese victims http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/168296.html
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link
i also don't think that wanting to see certain artifacts in a museum is some kind of indefensible racialist objectification: museums are venues where cultures are performed.
Yeah but the performance of culture, of historiography is also culturally mediated & a part of culture itself. Like I used to be among the people who would cover their mouths and gasp when I heard about hutongs being destroyed or temples being given fresh coats of paint. But really the notion of "preservation" as some kind of act where you only do what's minimally necessary to keep an artifact as it was back when it was created - that's bullshit. Like art museums in the West don't powerwash their paintings. If the Chinese want to keep everything looking fresh then I see no reason not to. Just as there can be a cultural preference for oldness there can be one for newness.
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 20:26 (ten years ago) link
Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to attend the annual re-embalming of Mao. He's gonna look fresh as h*ck
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
2014 thread?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/16/world/asia/chinese-activists-test-new-leader-and-are-crushed.html
― Mordy , Thursday, 16 January 2014 15:59 (ten years ago) link
according to wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet - 25% of internet users are chinese but only 3.3% of the web is in chinese & only 10 million mainland chinese ppl are fluent in english.
so my question is: what are ppl in china up to online?
― ogmor, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 23:50 (nine years ago) link
i dunno, same as everyone else? streaming video, weibo, wechat, games, porn.
― dylannn, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 01:07 (nine years ago) link
maybe the big difference is that most are connecting to the internet via mobile device
― dylannn, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 01:08 (nine years ago) link
http://www.danwei.com/a-brief-guide-to-chinas-media-landscape-may-2014/
that metric seems to count only the number of top level domain websites, so maybe it's that internet usage in China is more centralized on a few sprawling sites (comports decently with my impression). also could be that china has 25% of the world's internet users but that many of them actually use the internet quite infrequently (this certainly couldn't be said about the younger generation, but i think there probably are a lot of very casual adults/elders who still get counted as 'users').
also: Rolling Chinese Dream 2014
― een, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 01:18 (nine years ago) link
ah not sure how I missed the 2014 thread. yeah this was really a question of where chinese ppl are online. lots of stuff I'm unfamiliar with on the danwei list. It's v interesting to see how&why online culture varies internationally, & I'm definitely much less aware of a chinese presence online in general compared with korea/india/japan. I wondered if it was a primarily a linguistic thing, and the related bigger q of how big a driver of worldwide english literacy the internet may or may not be. there's a distinction drawn between 'english speakers' & 'english users' (who can read english w/out having spoken or written fluency) which seems to explain the wiki figures I quoted. the mobile thing seems significant too. I don't know anyone who's spent much time on the mainland so thanks for helping w/ my inept wondering
― ogmor, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 09:23 (nine years ago) link
Seems a good as place/time as any to ask if anyone's read Jason Ng's Blocked On Weibo?
― etc, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 10:37 (nine years ago) link
couldn't find a 2015 thread but i had to lol at this: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/28/opinion/rent-a-foreigner-in-china.html
are white starving artists/writers flocking to china?
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:46 (nine years ago) link
穹顶之下: Rolling 中华人民共和国 / People's Republic of China (PRC) Thread
Here buddy
― 龜, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link
thanks pal
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link