in praise of KLF - the white room

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In the end, we are *all* bound for Mu-Mu land.

MU-MU is and is not a theorem of the JAM-System (Branwell Bell), Sunday, 29 December 2013 11:45 (ten years ago) link

It is strange, though, to come to things I once loved unreservedly, with new eyes. Watching those wonderful KLF videos of yore, which at the time were so amazingly over the top and just incredible and strange, and now this twinge of discomfort and "did they really just do that?"

You can never really look at the art of the past with today's eyes and see it the same way (Lex and I joking over Boxing Day lunch: can you ~imagine~ the controversy on Twitter, had the Windowlicker been released today? Hahahahahah... oh god.) and is it even really appropriate to talk about "cultural appropriation" with regards to an artist whose entire raison d'etre was "appropriation" in every way, shape and form. But a lot of stuff that was "let's put culture in a blender" at that point does read kinda differently now and it feels dishonest to pretend it's just not there. Cressida jumping up and down wearing a Native American head-dress between someone dressed as a Viking and someone in Xhosa warrior gear seemed all "rave is beyond time and space and culture itself!!!" at the time and now is a a bit "hmmm." But still. Nostalgia wins.

MU-MU is and is not a theorem of the JAM-System (Branwell Bell), Sunday, 29 December 2013 12:03 (ten years ago) link

or maybe "rave is plugged into a set of global historical practices"? don't think twice it's alright

turkey & stfuing (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 December 2013 12:08 (ten years ago) link

From my distant memories (I was a. in my late teens/early 20s when this music came out and b. in another country) it was part of a whole ecstasy-fuelled ethos of "in rave there is no black nor white, in rave there is no east nor west, in rave there is no man nor woman, Jew nor gentile etc." which was written into the music from inception (listening to Can You Feel It specifically right now, as this being what House Music was about) and much of the imagery which reads now as "appropriation" was written within the spirit of that moment and that philosophy.

It's also interesting that my copy of the White Room (I have the American reissue of course, because this is the only legal way to own it - haha, I feel like I'm disregarding artistic intention by owning it "legally" in and of itself) all of the samples are credited, and more specifically, all of the vocalists are credited. I do not remember what the original records were like (had some on cassette, some on 12", all long gone) - if this was the KLF legally covering their arses after their prior experiences with copyright liberation. Or if it was a deliberate statement against artists like e.g. C&C Music Factory? who would sample one woman on the record, then have another (younger, thinner, more commercial) woman "interpreting" the vocals in videos and performances? It just seems such an "of its time" moment.

MU-MU is and is not a theorem of the JAM-System (Branwell Bell), Sunday, 29 December 2013 12:26 (ten years ago) link

When "thinking too hard about stuff" becomes part of the pleasure of listening to it.

MU-MU is and is not a theorem of the JAM-System (Branwell Bell), Sunday, 29 December 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link

I hadn't heard there was a book on the KLF until this thread was revived. I've just finished reading it and it was tremendous - it ties together a lot of stuff I'm interested in outside the KLF in a satisfying and surprising way and the author's 'magical thinking' explanation for burning the million quid is hilariously provocative and entirely in the mythmaking spirit of the KLF.

bizarro gazzara, Sunday, 29 December 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link

The white room album felt compromised at the time, but on retrieval it's actually a "Keep for all time" great record.

The 'original' was on Spotify last year until 'someone' 'noticed'..

Mark G, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 11:58 (ten years ago) link

recent(ish) book is so so good

Tusk is entirely responsible for my lifelong love of charlie (electricsound), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link

I wish I could find out for myself! I ordered it off the Guardian over a week ago, but of course it hasn't turned up. :-/

Branwell Bell, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:16 (ten years ago) link

So so good

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:12 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

This is an amazing book. And is bringing together so many different threads of things I had been interested in. In so many ways.

But I really don't know if this is a good book for me to be reading right now.

I just really hope they get their souls back.

I'd rather be the swallow than a dick (Branwell Bell), Thursday, 23 January 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link

If you have Amazon Prime and a Kindle in the US, you can "borrow" this book for free - not sure about the UK.

Spencer Chow, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link

Oh, what a chiz of an ending! Why oh why did I keep reading on past the warning of "if you are satisfied with magical thinking, stop here and proceed on to the epilogue"?

After setting up this entire rollicking tale, encompassing everything from Discordianism and the JFK assassination to the fall of communism and the birth of rave, with bits of Dada and situationsim and psychogeography and the Liverpool punk scene, plus digressions and discourses on the nature of Art and Magic and the Collective Subconscious and the social construct that is money, liberally watched over by Celtic giant rabbit spirits, and basically whipping this huge stringy mess into the most amazing and contrived of fantastic synchronicities, he then goes and... Well, I won't spoiler it for those who haven't read it. But I feel like a child who has had the most wonderful confection displayed in front of their greedy eyes, only to have it whipped away at the last minute and replaced with the chopped spinach of a Moral Lesson.

Bah.

I feel like I should read the Illuminatus! trilogy again (though after reading the Cosmic Trigger trilogy, kinda disillusioned with Robert Anton Wilson). And also read more of Drummond's own books, though I still get the feeling that he doesn't really understand what he did/what happened to him any more than anyone else. It's a very good thing that the book dispells the image of Drummond and Cauty as master manipulators and paints them more as a couple of incredibly lucky people who almost stumbled into their own brilliant ideas.

I'd rather be the swallow than a dick (Branwell Bell), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:36 (ten years ago) link

Is this the book being talked about?
http://www.amazon.ca/KLF-Chaos-Magic-Music-Money-ebook/dp/B00ABFHOS0/

zanarkand bozo (abanana), Sunday, 26 January 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link

Yes! Ignore my carping above; it's awesome, read it.

I'd rather be the swallow than a dick (Branwell Bell), Sunday, 26 January 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link

I just got one, I recognise the preface which is how far I've got so far, Looking forward to more..

Then again, how are you placed to write the alt:fic version?

Mark G, Sunday, 26 January 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link

I don't understand. Are you suggesting I write KLF fan fiction?

I'd rather be the swallow than a dick (Branwell Bell), Sunday, 26 January 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link

Would it work?

Mark G, Sunday, 26 January 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link

I used to have the same thoughts (well, similar) about the automaton machines that made up the lineup of the Art of Noise. Then they went out of their way to be some blokes and a really great pianist.

Mark G, Sunday, 26 January 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

No. That would be a very bad idea.

OK, I used them as background characters in the back story of one character in one fiction once, but... NO. NO THIS WOULD BE A BAD IDEA.

I'd rather be the swallow than a dick (Branwell Bell), Sunday, 26 January 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link

Dreamt I saw the KLF live at Wembley. They opened with America: What Time Is Love? Then I woke up. :(

Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 27 January 2014 11:28 (ten years ago) link

Wow, I wish I could have the KLF back in my dreamspace. They took up residence there for some time in the early 90s (there are pages in the Book of Bernard about them, blossoming out of annoyance that their name was so similar to the name I was going by then, and turning into something warped and strange) but they would be welcome guests now.

In the world of other coincidences, I was pestering my Mum to see if she remembered the Drummond family from when she was small, but her memory's are a 10-year old's. They are just still one of those bands that accumulate coincidences around them, so the coincidence is not that shocking. But the link is still strange to me, because it is so obscure.

these birches is awful (Branwell Bell), Monday, 27 January 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link

about to start reading this book, excited

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:17 (ten years ago) link

Yay! I dreamed about the KLF last night! Continuing my "dream up fake songs" tradition, last night I even managed to dream up a complete fake KLF single, including video, with Jimmy Cauty maniacally butchering sheep carcasses. Then Bill Drummond rented me a holiday cottage near Belfast. It was on this long spit of land that stuck out into the sea in what Bill said had to be a secret masonic symbol from the way it looked on the A to Z.

Branwell Bell, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 10:11 (ten years ago) link

that dream should be a short film or music video imo, or actually i guess i just want to dream it myself

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link

KLF are p much the one band I would most like to see a fictionlised film of the "not really true" story of their adventures, a la "24 Hour Party People" but also they are the one band most likely to never do such a thing. Perhaps I should start writing a film to be made after the 23 years are up, haha.

"righteous indignation shit" (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 09:50 (ten years ago) link

Isn't the 23 years up, like, already?

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link

since the car bonnet contract? November 2018.

(D1CK$) (sic), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:43 (ten years ago) link

Not long, then..

Mark G, Thursday, 6 February 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link

Bill did bend the contract slightly in this

(D1CK$) (sic), Thursday, 6 February 2014 00:36 (ten years ago) link

well, i guess it is time to add this and the 'waiting for the rights of mu' albums to the digital archive.

mark e, Thursday, 6 February 2014 22:05 (ten years ago) link

the 'waiting for the rights of mu' albums

not actually an album

(D1CK$) (sic), Thursday, 6 February 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link

yeah i know ..

but hey lets not spoil the party ..

mark e, Friday, 7 February 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link

put the films in yr digital archive instead!

(D1CK$) (sic), Friday, 7 February 2014 02:10 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

I feel like I found some sort of hidden treasure in the used bins today when I saw Shag Times. Picked it up without hesitation. Love it when I find early KLF in the wild

octobeard, Sunday, 13 April 2014 03:26 (ten years ago) link

Double LP version fwiw.

octobeard, Sunday, 13 April 2014 03:27 (ten years ago) link

good find.

some of the extra remixes/tracks are a bit superfluous but its a good collection of their various singles.

mark e, Sunday, 13 April 2014 09:21 (ten years ago) link

Richard King, via Twitter...

"Interviews with Bill Drummond & Jimmy Cauty that I couldn't fit into 'How Soon Is Now?' The K Foundation Tapes: http://www.how-soon.com/index.php/blog/entry/the_k_foundation_tapes";

Barnaby, Hardly, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 10:05 (ten years ago) link

was doing some reading on this album and saw that 3 AM Eternal hit #5 on the Billboard chart in 1991. What kind of radio stations played it?

skip, Friday, 25 April 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link

it was #1 in the uk!

nathey, Friday, 25 April 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link

I remember it being on the radio all the time, because I used to listen to it while driving, and there was no tape deck. But I can't remember what kind of stations were playing it.

Branwell Bell, Friday, 25 April 2014 15:52 (ten years ago) link

In addition to 3AM Eternal, Unbelievable by EMF, Right Here Right Now by Jesus Jones, Silent Morning by Noel, True Faith by New Order and other Freestyle/dance tracks made a dent in the charts in the late 80s/early 90s.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 25 April 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link

The videos for "3AM Eternal" and "Justified and Ancient" got some MTV rotation.

naus, Friday, 25 April 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I just found this album for $1.50 and am listening to it for the first time. It's really good. Very much enjoying.

3am was on the top 40 station a LOT here.

austinato (Austin), Saturday, 10 May 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link


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