Documentaries I have loved

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Why would they change the title from "Hands on a Hardbody" to "Touch the Truck"? That's not nearly as snappy.

Mark, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Is 'hardbody' a recognised synonym for a truck in the US? Over here it isn't so I fear it would have fallen foul of "wtf?" tv executives.

N., Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

One of the best documentaries I ever saw was "Five Hours In My Lai" which was about the My Lai massacre in the Vietnam War (when a load of American troops rampaged through a village raping anyone who looked female and then killing them and everyone else). It featured on camera interviews with several of the perpetrators, and also (shorter) interviews with soldiers who refused to take part in the atrocity (thereby disobeying orders) and some other heroic American soldiers who trained machine guns on fellow GIs to protect Vietnamese civilians.

The commander of the unit involved, and the man who ordered the massacre, was on Lt. Col. William Calley. He served one day in prison for his crimes, before Nixon commuted his sentence (or pardoned him, or something). He declined to be interviewed for the programme. One of the most eerie pieces of footage in the whole thing was some long range shots of him walking down some ordinary American high street.

DV, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Is 'hardbody' a recognised synonym for a truck in the US?

If it is, I've never heard it before.

Sean, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nissan has a truck model called the "Hardbody."

Mark, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh my god! I can't believe I forgot "Paris Is Burning" -- move over, Friends Forever. "Paris is Burning" had me throwin' shade for weeks!

Mandee, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Is 'hardbody' a recognised synonym for a truck in the US?

Yes. Most trucks over here are made from treated cloth and canvas.

Sherman's March was good, but in a real sickly kind of way. I have to see that again. I remember it seeming pretty humiliating for its director. It felt condescending too for some reason. Maybe I'm just being defensive about the South, but both Sherman's March and the Errol Morris one about the town in Florida have a Cohen-brother-style "aloof among idiots" tone. Though to be fair Errol Morris's great project seems to have become finding the most eccentric and intense people that he can.

Hoop Dreams is very good.

I've had many opportunities these days to remember a vivid doc I saw at the Walter Reade Theater 3 years ago, about the role of hijacking in modern geopolitics. At the show I saw the sound designer played the entire soundtrack LIVE - including transitions, fadeouts, FX, fuzz synth noise etc. with the volume turned up to 10. Here, I've found it -

dial H-I-S-T-O-R-Y(Johan Grimonprez, Belgium, 1997, 68 min.)

An eyepopping and mordant compendium of airplane hijackings and counter-terrorism set to texts from Don DeLillo's Mao II and White Noise and a remarkable music and sample collage by David Shea. This alternately heartbreaking and sardonic video is a tour through, in Grimonprez's words, "the media politics of contemporary catastrophe culture."

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jarvis Cocker's Outsider Art series.Made me Cry.Secret rulers of the world was pretty good (also Ronson's 'For the love of..'shows.Not quite a doc but 'historical reconstruction' and brilliant is Wiscosin Death Trip. Did anyone see the 'possessed 16 yr old girl in Tuscany' ("you shitty little priest!") one the other night? Pitch for channel 5: 'When pets go wrong!'

Evil Neilson, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This Is Spinal Tap.

nickn, Wednesday, 9 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why would they change the title from "Hands on a Hardbody" to "Touch the Truck"? That's not nearly as snappy.

Perhaps I should point out here that Nick wasn't referring to the documentary you mention, but the British TV coverage of the same type of event. It was held in some big shopping centre, broadcast live at various points throughout the day on channel 5 and hosted by Dale Winton.

Of course, Hands On A Hardbody might also be the name of the competition in the US, in which case forget everything I just said.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 9 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I watched a documentary about the Avebury stone circle, that was good. It made my blood boil!

Peter Miller, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There were a couple of crackers on last night.

BBC2 had a repeat of "Challenger - Go for Launch" a documentary about the Challenger disaster. The way it followed the countdown to the launch was chilling. Some amazing quotes: "My wife asked how my day went. I sighed and said, "Well, it was fine. We had a meeting, and we're going to launch tomorrow and kill all the astronauts, but appart from that it was okay."" Most painful fact - post-crash investigations revealed that some of the astronauts would have been conscious on descent, and all were probably alive until the moment of impact with the sea.

Then Channel 4 had "Changing Sex" on the history of transsexual surgery which, while not for the squeamish, gave a fascinating insight into the subject. I had no idea, for instance, that female=>male transexuals would be able to have sex post-op. Although interestingly, the guy who seemed to be in the most stable relationship had opted not to have phallic construction, which raised quite a few more questions I wished the programme had investigated.

Better than "Foorballers Wives" anyway.

Andrew Williams, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But on Footballers Wives Page 3 model Chardonnay's career was wrecked following an unfortunate hen night incident with a candle and a garland! What could possibly be better than that?

Does Fat Club count as a documentary?

Emma, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What about the Fellowship of the Ring?

mark s, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I hope that's a response to Emma's first question.

N., Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Footballers Wives is like Dream Team except it takes itself more seriously. I'm not sure if that's good or bad.

Ronan, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ronan! Dream team *is* serious, dedly serious, just ask Fletch. Oh what will happen to him? I think he'll leave quite soon, which is a shame in a way, cos Harchester need a striker of his calibre.

chris, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I flicked through a bit of Footballers' Wives yesterday (God, that makes it sound like a dirty mag - sorry). Enchanted by 'did I hear that right?' name of Chardonnay and Harchester equivalent 'Sparks'. Is the club really called Sparks?

N., Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The club is called Eton Park hence Sparks. Chardonnay's full name is Chardonnay Lane. God I am craving alcohol.... only 15 days left.....

Emma, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Jon Ronson's Jonathan King documentary is finally being shown tonight at 10PM.

N., Monday, 11 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm watching _Dr. Death_ right now, and I found this beautiful little note from Harvey Weinstein on Errol Morris' site.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 04:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's _Mr. Death_ to all you sticklers out there.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Harvey!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

1. Crumb
2. The Kids Are Alright
3. Baseball
4. Blue Planet

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Kid Stays in the Picture

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Le Mans with Steve McQueen is the best documentary masquerading as a narrative film.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

World Link TV has run some amazing documentaries lately. My favorite one is of the Masai tribal warriors who end up working UN peacekeeping detail in Bosnia as part of their mandatory Kenyan military duty.

I'd go with Architecture Of Doom over Triumph Of The Will for the obligatory Nazi documentary, but that's just the cultural art sociologist in me.

I'd also go with East Side Story (about the Soviet-era musicals) for fave film documentary and a toss up between Theremin and Another State Of Mind for best music documentary. Shotgun Freeway for best Los Angeles documentary.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 07:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't know how I missed this thread. I must have been working or doing something *social*.

Anyhow, I loved 'Dirk Bogarde: The Name Above The Title' and 'Imagine', which is more a docu-film I suppose.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 09:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also 'The British Empire in Colour' and the BBC's 'The Human Body' if that counts.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've just googled and found out Martin Parr was behind it. The boring postcards man.

Ha ha. This reminds me of the opening line of my friend Jason's first philosophy essay at Trinity: 'Rene Descartes is a dead famous French philosopher.'

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 09:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hoop Dreams and Crumb spring to mind.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Crumb and When We are Kings.

Do the Qatsi's count?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

my favorite:
sans soleil

the most haunting:
silverlake life: the view from here

gygax!, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mr. Death was pretty good. Has no one mentioned Vinyl yet? Triumph of the Will was a bit dull, but perhaps mostly because my friend wouldn't let me MSTify it -- he was studying German and wanted to see if he could follow Adolf without reading the subtitles. (There is a shot, early on during the endless parade scene, where you see a kitty sitting in an apartment window, and that is the image that has stuck in my head all these years: The poor kitty in the Nazi family! So unaware of what was going on!)

My favorites are probably Frederick Wiseman's, or at least the two I've seen. His technique is to shoot a lot of footage, edit it, and not really add any background music or provide any explanatory context, just "let the scenes speak for themselves", so to speak. It's fairly different from, say, the Errol Morris style. "High School" is about a late 60s Philadelphia high school, and is scary and fascinating in exactly the ways you'd expect: The faculty come up with all these petty ways to show how much more powerful and important they are than the students, and it's all very sad. "Meat" is a detailed look at the meat industry, following some cows as they go from the farm (where they're fattened) to the slaughterhouse (with a very long and detailed and disgusting at times disturbingly beautiful sequence of the entire slaughtering process) to the market.

Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

American Movie is hilarious and very non-intellectual

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Harlan County, USA

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Grass

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

which was the one about the U.S. street kids/homeless teens
which was nominated for an oscar for best documentary, and
wherein the main guy in it died before the end of the film ?

piscesboy, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chris, 'Shotgun Freeway' was like City of Quartz-lite. I was disappointed...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Somebody has spoken about this before, but A Century of the Self (shown in the UK about a year OK) was the best documentary I've seen in years.

In fact, I'm still trying to lay my hands on a copy of it.


bert, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

What was it, Bert?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

adam curtis is my god (see upthread several times)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Has anyone seen Wisconsin Death Trip?

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Recent ones I have seen and enjoyed:
The Agnes Varda one about rummaging in the rubbish - Les Glaneuses or something - fantastic.
Promises - about ickle kids from Palestine and Israel - poor little things.
IMAX 3D documentary about Spacestation Pongo - you get to wear Elton John Rocket Man glasses.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

It was a cultural history of the twentieth century, focusing on successive members of the Freud family. It argued that Freud's concept of the subconcious had led to the birth of public relations, modern advertising, and modern government. It also showed how psychological theory had been used by corporations and governments to influence the behaviour of the masses.


bert, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

That sounds good.

I saw some of Wisconsin Death Trip. I didn't really get into it.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Um, was Wisconsin Death Trip based on the book or vice versa or does anyone know? (I am an avid advocate for anyone who is feeling grumpy to read WDT - after hearing about all of the gorey ways to die/go insane/lose everything/hurt yourself/hurt others, life suddenly looks brighter.)

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Damn, I was way off on that one (thanks to the IMDB!)

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

No - it *was* based on the book, Laura. What did you mean about IMDB?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Internet Movie DataBase, Nick - http://www.imbd.org. Oh, and after actually reading the review (as opposed to skimming and seeing words "heavy-metal band" and immediately assuming that it's not the same story) I am convinced that it is the same story (kinda helps that the plot summary points it out, too).

Here's what it has to say:


Plot Summary for
Wisconsin Death Trip (1999)

Wisconsin Death Trip is an intimate, shocking and sometimes hilarious account of the disasters that befell one small town in Wisconsin during the final decade of the 19th century. The film is inspired by Michael Lesy's book of the same name which was first published in 1973. Lesy discovered a striking archive of black and white photographs in the town of Black River Falls dating from the 1890s and married a selection of these images to extracts from the town's newspaper from the same decade. The effect was surprising and disturbing. The town of Black River Falls seems gripped by some peculiar malaise and the weekly news is dominated by bizarre tales of madness, eccentricity and violence amongst the local population. Suicide and murder are commonplace. People in the town are haunted by ghosts, possessed by devils and terrorized by teenage outlaws and arsonists. Like the book, the film is constructed entirely from authentic news reports from the Black River Falls' newspaper with occasional excerpts from the records of the nearby Mendota Asylum for the Insane. The film also makes use of the haunting black and white photographs taken by the resident portrait photographer of Black River Falls at the end of the 19th century. Contemporary color documentary footage of the town today is also included at the end of each section of the film that take place over the course of four seasons.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

just watched Collective. started with a literal sparkler, went big places. but the end was gutting. still 7 months left to watch on iplayer.

(actually, both the ones i mentioned above were up for the documentary oscar, both lost out to the octopus teacher thing)

koogs, Sunday, 1 August 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link

(both = collective and mole agent, i didn't notice i'd also mentioned Goebbels' secretary)

koogs, Sunday, 1 August 2021 19:51 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000kxl0/storyville-united-skates

"When America's last standing roller rinks are threatened with closure, a community of thousands battles in a racially charged environment to save an underground subculture - one that has remained undiscovered by the mainstream for generations, yet has given rise to some of the world's greatest musical talent."

koogs, Thursday, 7 October 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link


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