SABR/sabermetrics thread 2014

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so will the fielding data kill Oakland and Tampa Bay's advantage?

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/3/7/5473304/mlbam-advanced-defense-rays-athletics

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 March 2014 21:53 (ten years ago) link

tech team behind the player tracking system is doing a reddit ama at noon et

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:38 (ten years ago) link

http://www.hardballtimes.com/of-pluses-and-minuses/

putting this here because i don't have time to read it now, but looks good

k3vin k., Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link

spreadsheet of ~600 tommy john surgeries, courtesy of jon roegele at the hardball times

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

some team bought a supercomputer

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2014/03/supercomputers

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 12:34 (ten years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkLL7oUCIAAJISM.png

Andy K, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 00:25 (ten years ago) link

from the cardinals after game show last night:

http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2130713/4eNAhRe_medium.jpg

which...if you waste any minutes of your life listening to the terrible cardinals announcers, you'll know that they can't bring up any stat that's not wins and ERA without hedging a bunch and making it clear to the audience that they're really old fashioned that they're not sure about all of these newfangled stats and they're a little scared

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 00:37 (ten years ago) link

are they really cranky about it tho? i don't have any memory of those announcers but a lot of old baseball guys are gonna be like that in a self-deprecating "I'M SO OLD I DON'T UNDERSTAND SELFIES" sort of way and i don't mind that, like of course they're gonna respond that way. long as they don't sound bitter.

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:12 (ten years ago) link

nah, what's really embarrassing about the cardinal announcers is that they're relatively young and still have no idea what's going on

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:14 (ten years ago) link

see problem there is that announcers should never be young

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:21 (ten years ago) link

it's cool, i'm sure the best fans in baseball already know that stuff

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:22 (ten years ago) link

why i oughtta

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:30 (ten years ago) link

the SFG announcer just made a joke about bunting (the decoration on outfield walls):

"Sabermetrics fans obviously not a fan of bunting..."
"ah...I see what you did there!"

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:45 (ten years ago) link

2014: the year SABR broke?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:45 (ten years ago) link

Haven't had a chance to read this yet--and can't link to it because of the paywall--but from James's "Climbing the Stairway to Sandy Koufax":

http://www.billjamesonline.com/assets/1/7/Pitcher_Steps.gif

Since 1900 there have been only three seasons by a pitcher in which the pitcher had 25 wins, 300 strikeouts, an ERA under 2.50 and a winning percentage of .750. Those three seasons were by Sandy Koufax, 1963, Sandy Koufax, 1965, and Sandy Koufax, 1966.

Not really sabermetrics, I know. But written by the guy who invented sabermetrics, so I'm putting it here.

clemenza, Monday, 7 April 2014 19:26 (ten years ago) link

tsk tsk, bj not big on acknowledging ginormous park factors?

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 April 2014 19:59 (ten years ago) link

And era. He's written about that lots; pretty sure it was James himself who first pointed out how much Koufax's great awakening was a product of switching parks...I think he's just looking for a rough model of dominance. It's not perfect--Pedro was almost certainly the most dominant post-war pitcher for a concentrated 4-5 year period, so he should be at the top of the pyramid. But as a rough tool, going down the ladder, I think it makes sense.

clemenza, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link

i don't believe in podcasts, but perhaps someone would be intersted:

Ben Lindbergh @ben_lindbergh
Not only does Cuba have a sabermetric movement, but in some ways, it might be more advanced than MLB's. Podcast here: bbp.cx/a/23283

mookieproof, Friday, 11 April 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link

def worth a listen! mook, it's like radio.

SI article:

Alejandro Aldama, 25, clings to a few rolled-up sheets of computer paper like they are a map to hidden treasure. He paces in the underground section of stands behind home plate. Watching the game from here, sunk below the infield grass, is like watching from a foxhole.

Aldama is cofounder and vice president of the Independent Group for Baseball Investigation (GIIB), Cuba's first official sabermetric organization. The treasure map in his hand actually contains rosters and advanced stats. This year the GIIB is working with Industriales manager Lázaro Vargas, providing advanced statistical analysis, a first in Cuba for any team....

But information remains hard to come by in Cuba, and slow to spread. Serie Nacional teams don't have massive budgets or unlimited front-office resources. Fans are not equipped with computers and access to the Internet. And although major league teams view Cuba as a talent pipeline, Cuba itself is not hung up on the American conception of baseball. Players who play beautifully and rise to grand occasions are called guapo, or handsome, brave. In Cuba baseball is like art or love or faith—meant to be felt as much as understood.

To the 17 full-fledged members of the GIIB, the feeling and understanding of baseball are inseparable from one another. They're intellectuals, empiricists, the kind of guys who believe that the best way to express your love of something is to spend years studying and arguing about it. They talk about sabermetrics in the context of classic economists: "Marx's economic theories are basically sabermetrics," says Aldama. "It's the elimination of subjectivity." But before they organized into a formal group, they were just buddies—philosophers, engineers, computer scientists centered around the University of Havana—with a shared passion for baseball.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1210053/index.htm

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 April 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Ben Lindbergh wins Spira Award for Grantland pitch-framing article

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23421

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 April 2014 12:18 (ten years ago) link

i haven't had a chance to look at this too much yet, but this seems like a great resource: http://saberarchive.com/

Karl Malone, Monday, 28 April 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link

Should we make a thread for this guy a la Mike Trout or is it too soon.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post?id=88501

polyphonic, Monday, 28 April 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link

Traditionally, the two-hole was the domain of contact hitters with good bat control, with premiums placed on the ability to hit behind the runner, to sacrifice bunt, and to generally move the leadoff man over (even if it meant making an out)....

But research by (Tom) Tango and his compatriots suggests teams have been doing it wrong. After examining how important each batting event (single, double, walk, etc.) is to each lineup slot — based on factors such as how many runners are likely to be on base and how many outs they’re likely to hit with — the data says a team ought to bat its three best hitters in the No. 1, No. 2 and No. 4 slots, with the most balanced hitter occupying the two-hole. That’s a far cry from the conventional wisdom of slotting the best hitter either third or fourth, and putting a weak contact specialist at No. 2.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-spot-in-mlb-lineups-where-managers-are-still-ignoring-sabermetrics/

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link

Long piece by James today (he's gone for a month and left some writing behind) called "Potential" that will be seen as sabermetric heresy by many. I've only skimmed, but the thrust seems to be that potential can be measured, and that the gap between potential and actual performance is a gateway to understanding team chemistry, which is real and can also be measured.

The other side of this argument was ridiculing "chemistry", ridiculing the notion that Gil Hodges contributed heavily to the success of his teams by his contributions to the team’s chemistry. That line of argument traces back, I know, to things that I wrote in the 1980s. In the 1980s, I also ridiculed chemistry and character in assessing baseball players; I wrote essentially the same things that I now disagree with. It wasn’t that I was wrong, exactly, but that I wrote about these issues with a lack of understanding and with a lack of clarity. By so doing, I held back the development of clear thinking in this area.

clemenza, Friday, 2 May 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link

I feel like one way general managers account for 'chemistry' these days is when choosing between statistically insignificant players.. like this is the reason dudes like Jerry Hairston, Nick Punto, etc have careers.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 May 2014 22:05 (ten years ago) link

u kno punto's been worth 2.4 WAR/600 PA? and that if u try to get to jerry hairston jr on FG you end up at an error page? thanks a lot dad

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 2 May 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Surprise NL leaders in fWAR over the last calendar year:

C - Jonathan Lucroy
1B - Freddie Freeman

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 June 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link

positionally, that is. I didn't think FF would be ahead of Goldschmidt.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 June 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Love seeing Altuve ahead of Beltre, Bautista (though it appears that Ks are factored):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq0tx3ECAAEtzHw.png:large

Andy K, Monday, 23 June 2014 15:38 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

This is happening in Boston next month, but it's long sold out. Coulda gone if I'd known my medical schedule in advance.

http://saberseminar.com/schedule/

btw Lindbergh has moved fulltime from BP to Grantland.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link

Houston convention under way, but rather than highlight Clemens or Reid Ryan....

Another panel discussion centered on the history of the Colt .45s, the first Major League team to call Houston home. Four former players for the Colt .45s -- Bob Aspromonte, Hal Smith, Jimmy Wynn and Carl Warwick -- spoke about what it was like to be part of an expansion team in Texas.

Smith, a catcher who had hit a key home run for the Pirates in the 1960 World Series, said that he welcomed the chance to play for an expansion team because it means regular playing time and a chance to play in a warm climate. But perhaps he didn't know the full extent of what he would get.

"It turned out to be a fantastic year for me," Smith said. "I'll never forget, the first doubleheader I caught was on July 4. It was about 104 degrees. They carried 87 people out of the stands, and I lost about 13-14 pounds that day. I thought, 'Maybe there will be two-thirds of me after the year.'"

Mickey Herskowitz, a reporter who covered the Astros for four decades, said that the Colt .45s were one of the most entertaining teams you'd ever see. He spoke about the team's travel attire -- light blue cowboy suits -- and said the team's Spring Training facility was a story in and of itself.

"Apache Junction was the strangest place any baseball team had ever held Spring Training," he said of Houston's first Spring Training home in Arizona. "It was out there in the desert, 19 miles away to Mesa and that was the nearest anything. ... The Red Garter saloon is where everybody did their serious training. There was a supermarket, and that was it. You couldn't get into any trouble unless it came to you."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/roger-clemens-stars-at-sabr-gathering-in-houston?ymd=20140731&content_id=87331642&vkey=news_mlb

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 August 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link

Ton of video already up at sabr.org.

Sorry to be missing it for the first time since 2000... I was distressed to learn of this member's death, as he was one of the few I talke dto and hung out with nearly every year.

http://sabr.org/latest/memoriam-paul-hirsch

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 August 2014 20:21 (nine years ago) link

Last night they went to the Sugar Land Skeeters game, and Tomo Ohka took the loss for Bridgeport! Dontrelle Willis is also pitching for Bridgeport.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 August 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link

‏@MikeBatesSBN
BREAKING NEWS: Roger Clemens is a 52 year old man with frosted tips. #sabr44

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 August 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link

research winners

To what extent should an organization build their roster through homegrown players, or through acquisitions? Sanderson and Crownover examined the rosters for all playoff teams in MLB for the 5-year period from 2009 – 2013, using variables for player position, league affiliation, and how the player was acquired, and also incorporated the player’s WAR value. Using regression analysis and sampling, they explore whether having homegrown at certain key positions does, in fact, correlate with better performance.

http://sabr.org/latest/sabr-44-haupert-sanderson-crownover-win-2014-presentation-awards

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 August 2014 16:47 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Harry Pavlidis reviews the altcast on FS1:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24846

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 October 2014 13:06 (nine years ago) link

https://twitter.com/statcast

Andy K, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link

it was interesting though I think just using the game feed with these guys instead of the regular announcers would've been way better

lol @ me for thinking that was the only broadcast of the game during Game 1

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link

i think the mother network wd've balked at that, as it could imply the only problem w/ the usual game coverage is the yapping. Plus they wanted to use charts stats etc.

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link

Thoughts on Bannister being hired by the Rangers? What type of guy are they getting?

David Schoenfield (3:18 PM)
Don't know a whole lot about him but I think this is the key: The Pirates are one team that not only uses sabermetric analysis in the front office but the coaching staff probably applied it more than any other organization. Clint Hurdle and the coaching staff would have daily meetings (or close to it) with their analytics department. One of the stats guys even traveled on most road trips. So I think Jon Daniels figures he's going to get a manager who is willing to take that approach to managing.

If anything, that's the next big step in sabermetrics. All front offices have the data now. It's figuring out how to get the important pieces of information to your field staff and from there to the players.

One example for the Pirates, besides the fact that they shifted a lot the past couple of years. Their numbers suggested pitching inside is very important. They stressed this to the pitchers. I believe they led the league in hit batters the past two years, but it was something the stat guys and the Hurdle believed was important. That's an easy message to relay to players.

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 October 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link

Jonah Keri argues that Bochy is one of the great all-time managers:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/bruce-bochy-best-manager-san-francisco-giants-baseball/

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 October 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link

He seems specifically made for the post-season era.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 17 October 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link

Bochy was never handed a spare no expenses 100-win juggernaut like Torre had with the Yankees year after year. He seems to get the best out of what he's given with clubs whose "true talent level" is around .500, where the difference between a good manager and a bad one can be significant. The difference between an 85 win team and a 90 win team is huge in terms of how likely they are to make the playoffs, and Bochy makes his living out of maximizing what you can get from that kind of collection of talent.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 19 October 2014 11:23 (nine years ago) link

Chili Davis's career pitching record: he got in two innings at the age of 33, didn't walk or strike out anybody, didn't give up a hit, hit one batter. ERA: 0.00; FIP: 4.49. I realize there's some quirk there caused by an extremely small sample, but as a practical matter, I don't get that. If a pitcher hits one batter every couple of innings but retires the other six guys, where do the four-and-a-half runs come from? Here's the actual game, and 18-2 loss to the Rangers:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CAL/CAL199306170.shtml

clemenza, Monday, 20 October 2014 23:59 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

^^^this is v. intersting btw

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link

for some reason the link isn't working for me

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link


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