― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link
that's the pascal roge
http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/010/13821.jpg
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(messed my login up) thx nerve pylon, been wanting to hear this stuff for years and have never been able them on any cd/record. "ahead of their time" is an understatement.
― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
i forgot to add, that version of "cinema" is far better than other recordings i've heard. it's a funny piece. kinda philip glass-y (only not annoying)
― am0n (am0n), Friday, 29 September 2006 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link
I really do seem to be accumulating a Satie collection almost without trying -- LTM's just sent their newest, Avant-dernières pensées, which is subtitled 'Selected Piano Works Vol. 1,' so presumably there's more on the way. Tracklisting:
Trois Gymnopédies Gnossiennes 1-7 Je te veux Caresse Musiques intimes et secretes Embryons desséchés Le Piège de Méduse Descriptions automatiques Sports et divertissements Avant-dernières pensées
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 June 2007 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link
I was also able to snag a compilation of the Ciccolini recordings on Angel via the Tower implosion last year, so that's been handy for a bit of contrast.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 June 2007 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I would recommend his published journals, A Mammal's Notebook
― Michael F Gill, Friday, 29 June 2007 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link
i have the Yitkin Seow recordings on Hyperion. Really, really good.
― poortheatre, Friday, 29 June 2007 05:13 (sixteen years ago) link
how is that LTM disc, Ned? I'm a little afraid of the performer Goran Borisek, but have only heard other disc disc of his.
electronic spirit of erik satie by camarata, utter classic, full chamber orchestra with the leads played by loud moog. if you like perrey & kingsley and you like satie, you already love this record
― Milton Parker, Friday, 29 June 2007 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link
correction Bojan Gorisek
gettin my balkans confused
― Milton Parker, Friday, 29 June 2007 19:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Bojan Gorisek recorded the complete piano works of Satie for a label called Audiophile Classics that were released as a 10-CD box set and as individual volumes (I have two of the individual CDs). I suppose the LTM releases are reissues of some of those recordings. The ones I have are not bad - it's nice to hear some of the less familiar Satie pieces, including ones for voice and piano that are more in a cabaret-influenced style.
― o. nate, Friday, 29 June 2007 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link
There's still a link to some of them from the Amazon.uk page:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_m_h_/203-6608162-3103925?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=satie+audiophile&Go.x=14&Go.y=11
I have volumes 5 and 9.
― o. nate, Friday, 29 June 2007 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBj-0BCsNaE
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 08:08 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYi_jHYZZo
@ 4:33-5:28
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 08:41 (twelve years ago) link
behave yourselves, the monkeys are watching
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
want to start subversive public art campaign using erik satie performance instructions
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
oooooh i love Binaryland!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDEOVr7SVdk
― zappi, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
How I found Erik Satie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC-LpzbvWjs
― Corn Maze to the Dark Side (Eazy), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/43980-fucked-up-tokyo-police-club-members-to-do-smells-like-teen-spirit-144-times/
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
That family fodder is really good. I like the rhythm at the start of it, when it's just piano.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
I need to get that box you guys talk about upthread. I only have a one-disc piano thing. It's good and long, but too much of it is of those later parodies.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWY5bVPTyLA
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 17 February 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
full of subtlety, if you believe me
― Milton Parker, Friday, 17 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
'Apply yourself to renunciation''Behave yourself, please: a monkey is watching you''Coldly''Do not speak''Even duller if you can '
― geeta, Friday, 17 February 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
'From a distance, bored'
satie-inspired desserts: http://www.scena.org/lsm/sm7-10/Desserts-en.html
― geeta, Friday, 17 February 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://dailyroutines.typepad.com/daily_routines/2009/01/erik-satie.html
On most mornings after he moved to Arcueil, Satie would return to Paris on foot, a distance of about ten kilometres, stopping frequently at his favourite cafés on route. Accoring to Templier, "he walked slowly, taking small steps, his umbrella held tight under his arm. When talking he would stop, bend one knee a little, adjust his pince-nez and place his fist on his lap. The he would take off once more with small deliberate steps."When he eventually reached Paris he visited friends, or arranged to meet them in other cafés by sending pneumatiques. Often the walking from place to place continued, focussing on Montmarte before the war, and subsequently on Montparnasse. From here, Satie would catch the last train back to Arcueil at about 1.00am, or, if he was still engaged in serious drinking, he would miss the train and begin the long walk home during the early hours of the morning. Then the daily round would begin again.Roger Shattuck, in conversations with John Cage in 1982, put forward the interesting theory that "the source of Satie's sense of musical beat--the possibility of variation within repetition, the effect of boredom on the organism--may be this endless walking back and forth across the same landscape day after day . . . the total observation of a very limited and narrow environment." During his walks, Satie was also observed stopping to jot down ideas by the light of the street lamps he passed.
When he eventually reached Paris he visited friends, or arranged to meet them in other cafés by sending pneumatiques. Often the walking from place to place continued, focussing on Montmarte before the war, and subsequently on Montparnasse. From here, Satie would catch the last train back to Arcueil at about 1.00am, or, if he was still engaged in serious drinking, he would miss the train and begin the long walk home during the early hours of the morning. Then the daily round would begin again.
Roger Shattuck, in conversations with John Cage in 1982, put forward the interesting theory that "the source of Satie's sense of musical beat--the possibility of variation within repetition, the effect of boredom on the organism--may be this endless walking back and forth across the same landscape day after day . . . the total observation of a very limited and narrow environment." During his walks, Satie was also observed stopping to jot down ideas by the light of the street lamps he passed.
― j., Friday, 18 April 2014 19:02 (ten years ago) link
can someone recommend a good Satie recording? could be gymnopedies, but I'm very open
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 11:38 (three years ago) link
Funny, I've been trying to work out which recording (presumably of gymnopedies) is sampled on black to comm's 'hotel freund' and i can't find it.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7btR8DGees
― xzanfar, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMQFKA2bdqs
― xzanfar, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link
My high school friends and I found xpost Aldo Ciccolini's early solo piano LPs an excellent gateway, prob an influence on discreet Eno (but not New Age):i got the full 'complete piano works' thing (5 cds) with ciccolini and, i must say, i find it kind of exhaustingthose are later (1983-1986) re-recordings by ciccolini. the 2 CD piano works set compiles the original 1966-1971 recordings which introduced Satie to the record-buying public, I prefer the performances and the sequencing is more listenable.
― (Jon L),
― dow, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:31 (three years ago) link
Jon L's post is upthread, in '04.
― dow, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 20:32 (three years ago) link
I don't share all the Ciccolini love here (surely I can't be the only one?) regarding Satie, and I generally haven't warmed to his Debussy interpretations also. I just can't connect with a lot of his tempo (a tad bit fast) and phrasing choices. Regarding tempo, on the other hand, de Leeuw feels way too slow, to me almost comically so, like someone ran it through Paul's Sound Stretch.
I've been enjoying what I've heard so far from Thibaudet. And actually, Thibaudet was a student of Ciccolini's. His solo Satie recordings are available in a complete set from Decca.
Apparently, Thibaudet never played Satie for Ciccolini, and Ciccolini told him to not listen to his own famous recordings.
From this page: https://www.yourclassical.org/story/2016/07/20/new-classical-tracks-thibaudet-takes-on-satie
Thibaudet's teacher and mentor, Aldo Ciccolini was one of the first pianists to revive the music of Erik Satie. "And people said, of course, you were his student, you must have discovered and learned Satie with him," Jean-Yves says. "Well, to tell the truth, I didn't play one note of Satie to Aldo. And when I started this project, I called him and I said, 'I'd like to discuss and play some Satie for you.' And he said, 'You know, this is music you have to do on your own. I don't have anything to tell you there. You have to find your own world. I don't even encourage you to listen to my recordings because you should really find your own ideas about this music.'
― ernestp, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 21:55 (three years ago) link
I have the Ciccolini 2CD and enjoy it, though I’m hardly an expert (I have also heard the opinion that the tempos are too fast).
― Qui-Gon's Noble End (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 22:50 (three years ago) link
(that’s “also” as in – elsewhere besides the informative post above)
― Qui-Gon's Noble End (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link
thibaudet sounds like what I need
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 28 December 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link
I bought a book of his piano music scores for someone this Christmas, one of my best ever presents I reckon.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Monday, 28 December 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
Jokey/proto-dadaist Satie leaves me utterly cold so Pascal Rogé's After the Rain is all I need.
― pomenitul, Monday, 28 December 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link
I found the tempos on After the Rain sped up and slowed down too much. I understand that Satie isn't best played to a metronomic speed, but I was getting carsick from Roge's renditions.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 28 December 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
Fair enough. Maybe it's one of those 'Satie for people who don't really like Satie' albums, which suits me just fine.
― pomenitul, Monday, 28 December 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link
Two other Satie pianists I like a whole lot:Anne QueffelecWilliam Masselos (his Satie LP was an early entry in the discography)
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Monday, 28 December 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
after listening almost exclusively to horror soundtracks for 6 or 7 weeks i pulled up Satie's piano works on youtube before bed last weekend as a palate cleanser. these pieces aren't new to me but i've become obsessed with them in a way i haven't been with any other music in a long time. it's singular and internet boards are littered with threads by people looking for something else to sratch the same itch; other than some blatant copycats it doesn't exist because nothing else has that same free-floating feel to it. i think Saloli nailed it:
I ended up playing most of the Gymnopedies and Gnossiennes (his most popular works) throughout my tenure as a Eurythmy accompanist, and I began to notice that although it seems like the music is predictable and repetitive, none of the phrases resolved when I expected them to, and many of them began before the previous phrase was even over.For example, at the beginning of Gnossiene No. 3, Satie sets up an expectation by playing the A minor chord twice and the E minor chord twice. A normal composer would do this again the exact same way, but Satie decides to replace the last E minor chord with the D minor chord (surprise!), which acts as the beginning of the next phrase. The effect is almost like an Escher staircase; you take the stairs up to the top, but you arrive on the side.I came away from the experience thinking that Satie really is a clever, witty composer, and not at all boring. In fact, the musical result of this compositional style is extremely pleasant and meditative, a ticklish elixir that suspends time and expectations so that the listener achieves catharsis while being liberated from persistent and predictable cadences.
For example, at the beginning of Gnossiene No. 3, Satie sets up an expectation by playing the A minor chord twice and the E minor chord twice. A normal composer would do this again the exact same way, but Satie decides to replace the last E minor chord with the D minor chord (surprise!), which acts as the beginning of the next phrase. The effect is almost like an Escher staircase; you take the stairs up to the top, but you arrive on the side.
I came away from the experience thinking that Satie really is a clever, witty composer, and not at all boring. In fact, the musical result of this compositional style is extremely pleasant and meditative, a ticklish elixir that suspends time and expectations so that the listener achieves catharsis while being liberated from persistent and predictable cadences.
https://www.self-titledmag.com/saloli-reflects-on-the-revelatory-furniture-music-of-erik-satie/
i grabbed a bunch of 2cd Piano Works sets off soulseek, including Ciccolini and Roge (whose 2CD Debussy on Decca I like a lot), but ended up preferring the one I found on Youtube, Hakon Austbo, over all of them.
― Deflatormouse, Friday, 10 November 2023 19:24 (five months ago) link
Anne queffelec is my favorite Satie pianist if you’re lookin. She did 2 discs worth which are now in a big box set of her complete recordings
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 November 2023 21:13 (five months ago) link
Can you guys be specific about which Debussey & Satie CDs you're recommending? Catalogue number and title? I find it really hard to find classical discs with just a vague description.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 10 November 2023 21:27 (five months ago) link
My favorite collection of Debussy orchestral work remains this one, mostly conducted by Bernard Haitink in the '70s. For piano music I'm most familiar with Walter Gieseking, whose recordings are from the mono era but have a lovely ambiance; they've been reissued/remastered/repackaged many times (here's a recent one). These recordings were Penguin Guide favorites in the late '90s editions I used to have.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 10 November 2023 22:08 (five months ago) link
For Satie, I like Thibaudet: https://www.discogs.com/release/9524909-Erik-Satie-Jean-Yves-Thibaudet-The-Complete-Solo-Piano-MusicFor Debussy's "Suite Bergamasque," I like Seong-Jin Cho: https://www.discogs.com/master/1373955-Debussy-Seong-Jin-Cho-Images-Childrens-Corner-Suite-Bergamasque-Lisle-Joyeuse
I haven't heard Roge's Debussy or Queffelec's Satie - thanks for the recommendations!
― ernestp, Friday, 10 November 2023 22:28 (five months ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/master/399109-Erik-Satie-Anne-Queffélec-Erik-Satiehttps://www.discogs.com/master/1513970-Erik-Satie-Anne-Queffélec-Catherine-Collard-Oeuvres-Pour-Piano-Piano-WorksDebussy is my favorite composer and it’s better not to get me started.
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Friday, 10 November 2023 22:44 (five months ago) link
Those links didn’t come out right…
I think the contrasts between t'other 2 composers and Satie is something that works really good on that recording
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 14 November 2023 05:18 (five months ago) link
http://www.yoshioojima.com/works/music/1258/
https://wereleasewhateverthefuckwewantrecords.bandcamp.com/album/wave-notation-3-erik-satie-1984
xpost to the St. Giga thread possibly, there's more
i know those Morton Feldman Rothko Chapel pieces (they rule) but not this comp.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 16 November 2023 22:58 (five months ago) link