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on a whim I got a new book called Derrida/Searle on my kindle. pretty good. nice refresher.

ryan, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 01:29 (ten years ago) link

hadn't seen that before. did you ever end up continuing w/ yr laruelle reading?

markers, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link

no I had to put it down for some compulsory reading and then shiny new books caught my eye. I will pick it up again soon though.

ryan, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:25 (ten years ago) link

still haven't touched him since 2011, really, but there's new stuff out there now and am thinking of getting the one that anthony paul smith translated iirc. philosophy and non-philosophy?

markers, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link

lol this isn't on 77 oops. hi anthony if you see this.

markers, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link

principles of non-philosophy is the name of the book according to amazon

markers, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link

that's the one I was reading. got about 1/3 of way through it.

ryan, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link

ey markers that one's a co-translation you jerk.

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 12:28 (ten years ago) link

you're right.

don't know who the other person is

markers, Thursday, 27 March 2014 01:34 (ten years ago) link

i have a slight feeling you may though.

markers, Thursday, 27 March 2014 01:35 (ten years ago) link

the dude (and in this case there is only one) who translated whichever book continuum (it was continuum back then) put out of laruelle's in 2011 works at a college not too far from my house

markers, Thursday, 27 March 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link

he and i should kick it sometime

markers, Thursday, 27 March 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link

there's just some tone that makes you sure way beforehand that you're going to be reading about speculative realism sooner or later in an essay

http://www.furtherfield.org/features/articles/ordinaryism-alternative-accelerationism-part-1-thanks-nothing

j., Friday, 28 March 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link

perhaps it's that combination of coining ever new silly slogans and neo-neo-romanticism.

ryan, Friday, 28 March 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link

are they the ones who coined 'accelerationism' or is that some outside thing?

god, speculative realists, bleh

j., Friday, 28 March 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link

I'd never heard of it before!

ryan, Friday, 28 March 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link

i hear it a lot but i thought it was connected to, like, the singularity, and who can be bothered to investigate such things

j., Friday, 28 March 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link

i have a slight feeling you may though.

― markers, Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:35 AM (2 days ago)

I know eeeeeverybody. Though yeah. But my more general thing here is attacking this common tendency (not at all to accuse you of anything here) of devaluing the female side of male-female duos in philosophy.

re accelerationism, it comes from the CCRU and Nick Land especially, associated with an odd right-Deleuzian vs left-Deleuzian thing that took place at late '90s Warwick - Land being in the right camp and pushing for a kind of hyper-capitalism that tears itself apart. Then Land lost his mind and is now a bizarre white supremacist. It's been picked up again recently by leftists like Srnicek and Williams but it is still I think deeply ~problematic~ and at times a bit scary sounding, despite the good intentions this time around. The volume that's on it that's going to be released on Urbanomic comes with a bottle of accelerationism hot sauce, which is a very good gimmick imo.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link

oh is land one of those uh i forget, goole is into them, dark conservatives or deep conservatives or whatever? i think there was a guardian article about them.

j., Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:10 (ten years ago) link

yeah that kind of thing. The story of the CCRU is interesting and they produced a lot of good work, though some of it seems almost comically dated now. ILX favourite Simon Reynolds put together a little account of them: http://energyflashbysimonreynolds.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/renegade-academia-cybernetic-culture.html

While there's a bit of neoliberal dodginess to some of their stuff I don't think Land getting to where he's gotten was a natural conclusion of their work, I believe at some point he had a very clear mental break at which point everybody decided to stop associating with him.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:14 (ten years ago) link

fwiw i've known who aps was for years now and don't know if i've ever heard of the other person. but i'm not in yr world. just an observer mostly although now a few of 'em are following me on twitter (not him tho)

markers, Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:35 (ten years ago) link

very brief emails w/ a few phil blog ppl and i think i donated like $10 to help aps or someone go to a conference in like 2010

markers, Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:36 (ten years ago) link

talked to rm @ urb4n0m1c abt their rss feed once too

markers, Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:36 (ten years ago) link

as you can see, i am very important

markers, Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:36 (ten years ago) link

I believe the term is "dark enlightenment" but I could be wrong.

ryan, Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link

ya markers i understand and as i say i don't wish to question yr noble character, i just feel the personal need to see due credit given to women in philosophy.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:41 (ten years ago) link

it would be nice to laugh at the dark enlightenment ppl on account of them being ridiculous nerds but they're just too creepy for it to really work, it's hard to be amused by people suggesting that the way forward for humanity is "total NAM [non-Asian American] removal".

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link

the actual "reasoning" behind most of it is pitifully facile but yeah, a virtual fascist is still a fascist

invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 March 2014 01:53 (ten years ago) link

non-Asian Minority*, obvs.

Land's own recent writings try to maintain the screen of academic objectivity and thoughtfulness and for the most part seem discomfiting rather than outright outrageous, for judgement purposes it's convenient that his followers and associates are less careful in that way.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 29 March 2014 02:02 (ten years ago) link

Wow that Reynolds article is quite a time capsule!

ryan, Saturday, 29 March 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link

piketty book's mad discounted on amazon right now. like, 24. yikes. buying.

markers, Monday, 31 March 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link

also he's coming to the harvard bookstore next month for the zero of you who will be in the area

markers, Monday, 31 March 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link

what know ye of L.E.J. Brouwer?

invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 10:00 (ten years ago) link

The story of the CCRU is interesting and they produced a lot of good work, though some of it seems almost comically dated now.

I knew a CCRU type when I was a postgrad in the later 90s, & tho' I liked him – interesting, funny, v clever etc – a lot of it seemed comically dated then tbh. We lacked common ground because I wasn't theory-minded but i felt like much of the aesthetic instantiation of (post-)modernity/futurity looked like slightly silly noodling cybergoth stuff.

What happened to those types - specifically Sadie Plant? She just seemed to vanish with the millennium.

(I can see, as per articles upthread, what happened to Nick Land and woah).

woof, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:30 (ten years ago) link

I know much of Brouwer, have a look at this for a deluge of mysticism, solipsism, and misogyny. pretty far out

Euler, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link

yeah i was reading that earlier. i like it. this month's philosophy club is about his maths, tho i don't really know what form it'll take yet.

invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:26 (ten years ago) link

nb: not repping for solipsism and misogyny obv but his anti-capitalist mysticism is interesting and appealing and there is a lot of proto-environmentalist stuff in there too.

invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link

this is one of the classic introduction to Brouwer's mathematics, written by his student Heyting

Euler, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link

sweet, thanks. assuming there will be talk of intuitionism which, from a brief overview, feels close to a position i wd get with

invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link

the first piece I posted is hilarious b/c it was to be in his MATHEMATICS dissertation but his supervisor said hell no

Euler, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:32 (ten years ago) link

nobody ever told me about that!!! my education was a sham

j., Tuesday, 1 April 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link

how long ago did academic books become piratable? it's very, very easy to find a copy of brassier's nihil unbound or metzinger's being no one online for free

markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:24 (ten years ago) link

that being said, i once payed for brassier's book when it was a $99 hardcover

markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:25 (ten years ago) link

(winter 2009ish, the paperback wasn't out yet)

markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:25 (ten years ago) link

neither of the books i listed are open access either. one's on palgrave and the other's on mit press

markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:26 (ten years ago) link

Wait is that the Fixed-Point Brouwer?

Teenage Idol With the Golden Head (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:27 (ten years ago) link

xp what do you mean 'piratable'? i'm sure students have been passing around photocopies since photocopiers existed, the phenomenon of uploaded pdfs (with an accelerating move from scans of varying quality to shiny ebooks) seems to have really escalated in the last five years. and now just about everything is available.

Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 08:26 (ten years ago) link

yup, that's fixed point Brouwer!

Euler, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:06 (ten years ago) link

xpost i wasn't saying anything particularly interesting. from, like, idk, 1999-2010 i pirated music, while spending a lot on cds too, but i never even went looking for ebooks too much until recently. obviously it's a little different for someone to photocopy all of being no one vs. just typing the title and the word "pdf" into google and getting the thing into a pdf app on yr ipad in seconds for reading and annotation. i don't know if it's harder to find more mainstream stuff like hemingway or harry potter, but it does seem easy enough to find at least some of the academic works that i'm interested in; i found a sellars article, a churchland article, and the two books i've mentioned, and i'm sure there's tons more out there. how they actually get there is another deal. does someone actually scan all of less than nothing?

markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link


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