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is that the one he's since disowned?

― ryan, Friday, April 4, 2014 3:39 PM

not sure "disowned" is the right word, but i remember him saying something (re: nihil unbound) like "i regard the book as a botched job" (that's close to a direct quote). i don't think i've ever heard him talk about his thesis too much?

also, yes, academic ebooks are funny insofar as many of them do not exist (legally). good luck finding the brassier book on amazon.

so if you're not already on it send me yr email address and i'll do the rest.

ah thank you! but i think i'll avoid it b/c for some reason i feel paranoid about signing up for something like that where i wouldn't be paranoid about just checking it out. i could see why it's more locked down now.

btw markers another answer to your 'how do things get pirated' question is that in our circles the authors are generally as against the pricing of academic books as everybody else is, so they'll often happily distribute their final pdf copies from the publisher if they're confident it can't be traced back to them.

oh yeah. i think i knew they'd do that for articles, but didn't know they'd do the same for books.

markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link

i'm serious about reading either of yr stuff btw. let me know whenever stuff's available through whatever channel.

markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 20:07 (ten years ago) link

ah thank you! but i think i'll avoid it b/c for some reason i feel paranoid about signing up for something like that where i wouldn't be paranoid about just checking it out. i could see why it's more locked down now.

fair enough. i think in addition to that the mp3-downloading 'problem' of just having too much available to you is amplified. if i had the option of reading all the books i own before plunging into the thousands and thousands of pdfs they have then i'd take it, but as someone who has to produce work its an absolutely invaluable resource.

i think the only publisher who actually tried to take action against @@@@@rg was verso, good radicals that they are. for quite a while zizek was conspicuously absent from their archives.

Merdeyeux, Friday, 4 April 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link

On that note, though, verso is selling all their books online for half off this week...

Fiddler on a hot tin roof (ed.b), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link

uh holy shit

markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link

not their lefebvre : (

j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link

huh? http://www.versobooks.com/books/1062-introduction-to-modernity

markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link

the newest one on his author page isn't out yet

markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link

huh, that is a change from the day or two ago when i was looking at 'critique'

j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link

well maybe you were on this page: http://www.versobooks.com/books/1623-the-critique-of-everyday-life

markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link

oh, that's why—i want volume 3

j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link

note the "may 2014"

markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link

this is insane though. whatever they were hoping to accomplish with this, it's gonna probably work and get me to sign up for their store, which i wouldn't have done otherwise.

markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link

if i had more money now i'd drop a lot on this

markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link

xp or, when it is issued, a ~900 page CRITIQUE OF ALL YALL MOTHERFUCKERS W/ BLACK AND WHITE TEXT-ONLY COVER ART

j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link

for a hardcover! http://www.versobooks.com/books/437-fanaticism

markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link

wanna order...three books from verso, what are your favourites everyone? give me a wide spread.

online hardman, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link

minima moralia

signs mistaken for wonders

and, i dunno, one i'd like to read, say rancière, hatred of democracy

j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link

i didnt think id want anything but after looking at the website Élisabeth Roudinesco's book on Lacan looks good!

ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link

zizek - sublime object of ideology
zizek - living in the end times
various artists - aesthetics and politics
hal foster - the art-architecture complex
anabel hernández - narcoland

Mordy , Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link

Contingency, Hegemony, Universality remains a favorite. and anything by Ernesto Laclau in general. wish i knew more, but Verso tends to cover things outside my competence. which is why i should read more of their stuff.

i can't find any info on "signs mistaken for wonders"--what is it? good title.

ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link

nevermind! it's moretti.

ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link

shit it's not in stock.

ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

Jameson's Late Marxism is really good, though i read it probably a decade ago.

ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link

minima moralia out of stock :(

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link

you should order it used anyway, to get the bad-motherfucker black cover instead of the newer grosser one

o wait i see the new sexxxier series has a kewl black hardcover now

j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 22:26 (ten years ago) link

i'll wait for a library copy.

mattresslessness, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link

went hardcore suck-up and bought a bunch of stuff by ppl in my department.

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 23:20 (ten years ago) link

know Brouwer's math pretty well, had no idea about that element of his philosophy! saw some very out-there heyting quotes the other day that inspired me to want to learn more. sort of painfully naive claims about mathematics being that which is 'immediately evident' and thus not needing a philosophy. maybe brouwer's intuitionism really went that deep too.

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 23:56 (ten years ago) link

for me it's just striking how deep into some kinda pro-christian (anti-world) schopenhauerian dutch nationalist melange it is, apparently w/o much buildup. that level of philosophical uh embeddedness is not exactly surprising in mathematicians/scientists of that age or earlier, i just wonder at its specific sources (since it is evidently more or less a repetition of dogmas common to the schopenhauerian tradition).

schopenhauer has a weird philosophy of mathematics that stems somehow from his ways of claiming to correct/simplify kant (esp. in the direction of affirming unusual doctrines about perception which i think from an orthodox kantian perspective just sound uncritical?).

j., Wednesday, 9 April 2014 00:13 (ten years ago) link

Brouwer's sources include Fichte and Schelling and Goethe ; he's drawing on German idealism

Euler, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 01:55 (ten years ago) link

well yuh, i meant something a bit more recent

j., Wednesday, 9 April 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link

can't post it now but there are p close textual similarities b/w Fichte et al & Brouwer's text, kinda striking

Euler, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link

talk was excellent - thought there were some pretty clear connections between his mathematical work and his solipsism, or at least his idealism

twistent consistent (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 05:44 (ten years ago) link

this discussion sent me on a bit of reading. lots of texts seem to suggest schopenhauer was directly key, and more directly his teacher Gerrit Mannoury. want to read more about him and the signific circle now, but not sure how much if anything is available in english.

also didn't read that it was originally brouwer that coined the term (apparently) 'metamathematics'! i had always thought that it originated more as a _concession_ to those who claimed certain stuff wasn't 'real math' than as a point of pride and distinction...

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link

re. Brouwer's influences, this is a secondary lit article I'd recommend, in this volume

Euler, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link

started reading more on mannoury and wow that guy is interesting. anyone know more about him and the significs group? dude was talking about speech acts 30 years before austin. the connection with Adriaan de Groot and cognitive psych is also really interesting.

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Friday, 11 April 2014 03:33 (ten years ago) link

cool search feature

http://www.versobooks.com/search?q=zizek&scope=Authors

markers, Saturday, 12 April 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link

was browsing amazon and came across a new zizek, "absolute recoil: towards a new foundation of dialectical materialism." On verso in October.

ryan, Saturday, 12 April 2014 14:59 (ten years ago) link

i bought hegemony & socialist strategy when i was in college, but i don't know how much of it i read, if any

zizek's also putting out:

http://www.versobooks.com/books/1688-comradely-greetings
http://www.polity.co.uk/book.asp?ref=9780745663746
http://www.amazon.com/Event-Slavoj-Zizek/dp/1612194117/

markers, Sunday, 13 April 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link

the last of those is already available here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Event-Philosophy-Transit-Slavoj-Zizek/dp/1846146267/

markers, Sunday, 13 April 2014 23:37 (ten years ago) link

I've heard the 'Event' book is quite good, a rare recent example of Zizek not on autopilot.

Merdeyeux, Sunday, 13 April 2014 23:55 (ten years ago) link

that's actually a little surprising. i did a reading group on violence in 2009 and i don't remember how much of it was original stuff but i doubt it was all of it

markers, Monday, 14 April 2014 00:03 (ten years ago) link

ended up buying nothing from the verso sale

markers, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link

i've been meaning to reread that

j., Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:57 (ten years ago) link

which? violence?

markers, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:59 (ten years ago) link

i didn't buy it from the sale, but the website alerted me to the existence of s. critchley's (and co-author's) "The Hamlet Doctrine," so i impulsively got it on my kindle. it was pretty fucking stupid though. a nice tour through some famous takes on an intrinsically fascinating topic (benjamin, freud, lacan, nietzsche, joyce) but it's really indulgent and doesn't come to anything new. a book that focused on Hamlet as a topic for philosophy would be pretty cool though, and this book approaches that but doesn't really come close to what I wanted.

ryan, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link

which is a shame, because i thought "faith of the faithless" was pretty good and worth engaging with. getting tired of so many stupid cash-ins from these guys (uh, philosophers). i swear half of the new books i read come across as a collection of semi-edited notes.

ryan, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link


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