HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

Cersei?? What made you think that?

Because she's one of the last people who would be suspected; because she hates his wife to be; because she kind of hates him too. There was something about the last scene, I got the feeling she was playing up the grief and pointing the finger 'LOOK WHAT YOU'VE ALL DONE TO YOUR KING' etc. Then again there were a few brief shots of Tywin in there looking a bit sketchy(?)

I get that- though I don't remember the last time they focused on her being conflicted by his shitty behavior.

For the last number of episodes she's been nothing but amused by his antics.

One person I watched it with thought Cersei too because of her line about feeding the leftovers to the dogs instead of the poor people, but I don't think that was anything other than her cruelly channeling her evil frustrations.

Re-watching it they *really* hold on Grandma Diana Rigg saying something like "I can't imagine something so horrible as someone dying at a wedding" as she strokes Sansa's hair knowingly...

More like "What kind of monster would kill a man at a wedding?"

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she's my second favourite in the offings, have to say.

But I think she's slyer than that. Actively doing anything herself doesn't seem like her style. I think she manipulated it so that someone else poisoned Joffrey. Did we hear or see anyone pick up a poisonous substance earlier in the show?

One person I watched it with thought Cersei too because of her line about feeding the leftovers to the dogs instead of the poor people, but I don't think that was anything other than her cruelly channeling her evil frustrations.

She said this because she hates Margaery

Watch Rigg's hands carefully when she's talking to Sansa.

this is gonna get dissected at length (and undoubtedly is crazy old news in the books) but did tyrion give blond hitler wine from his own jug? was someone trying to poison tyrion and it backfired?

Virtually everyone sitting round that table had more of a motive than Cersei.

Her main motive would be to concentrate her power on the throne but if she was going to kill him she would probably have done so before he went and got married and therefore put another queen in the way.

wow all this time and I didn't recognize Diana Rigg wtf

i loved that the only ppl who seemed to care about joffrey's death were his biological parents

sounds like a real whodunit!

let's all cool off and get some ice cream

i kept thinking joffrey was going to cleave tyrion in half with his fancy new sword every time he made him kneel/bow whatever

so relieved that the little fucker is dead

wow all this time and I didn't recognize Diana Rigg wtf

To be fair she's been wearing a full-on head-tent in every scene she's been in

lol head tent

I was worried about that too. I think they were intentionally teasing us to think that might happen with all the mentions of the sword in the ep.

xposts

the sword should have magically flew out of joffrey's hands and beheaded him

flown, even

so obv tywin is still in control, the little brother is the technical king, but is margery queen? or is cersei queen-regent still?

i could see a million reasons to kill joffrey for pretty much anyone but it seems like if cersei is queen when joffrey dies, why did they tyrells wait until the marriage was official? or was it even official if they didn't consumate it?

unrelated, but I noticed with some amusment that margery's wedding dress was the least booby thing she's worn in the entire show

don't want to distract from that perfect snot/blood rivulet draining out of joffrey's head

"perfect snot/blood rivulet"... may have to consider a new username

that was one of the truly great tv deaths imo

is this one of those murder mysteries where i get dinner

I don't understand how literally anyone watching this would think Joffrey was killed by one of his own family. Regardless of how evil/insane he is, the fact remains that he's their evil/insane guy and everyone else has to suffer him. Killing him in a safe venue at the height of his power doesn't gain the Lannisters anything. It makes them look vulnerable.

Tommen stands to gain, he prob. did it.

well this blond kid claiming to be tommen is clearly not tommen from the last season, so if he has disposed of and replaced the original tommen, it is not hard to believe he would similarly remove his only obstacle to the throne

it's clearly the sigur ros guy

lol i am 100% pro changing everything so sigur ros become major characters

New Tommen fed original Tommen to his kittens.

entire season just jaime chasing after those sneaky icelandic villains

When someone shouted "stormbringer" to name the sword, surely that was a Moorcock/Elric reference? I can't recall the other suggested names.

and we learn the national was killed off-screen

Tommen: Have the Rolling Stones killed.

Matt Berninger's head on a pike next episode, iirc.

When someone shouted "stormbringer" to name the sword, surely that was a Moorcock/Elric reference? I can't recall the other suggested names.

I (of course) lol'd at this too, seemed unusually meta. I did wonder if the other names were from other fantasy series.

Let's not forget Ned Stark. He had the most motive, and his alibi is a little too perfect.

the other suggestions were Terminus (from The Book of the New Sun), Wolfsbane (which I assume is just a Stark reference), and there's another one that shouted over which I can't quite hear

I think reading the books before watching the show is probably not the best way to appreciate the show.

Martin is some kind of master of pulling off contradictory feelings in his readers of "nothing is happening / everything is happening."

He settled on "Widow's Wail", didn't he? Something like that anyway.

choked on pigeon's pie? murder most fowl ; )

When someone shouted "stormbringer" to name the sword, surely that was a Moorcock/Elric reference? I can't recall the other suggested names.
--Robert Adam Gilmour

GRRM wrote this ep so my money's on yes

He settled on "Widow's Wail", didn't he?

And then the episode ended with one

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Terminus might be the coolest name for a sword I've ever heard. I assume those references weren't in the book. I'm generally not fond of fannish references but somehow I didn't mind it in the show.

It's "Terminus Est" to be precise