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― lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 00:53 (ten years ago) link
it's magical! "fwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiw"
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 00:57 (ten years ago) link
also these fuckn dragons amirite? i mean COME ON
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 01:11 (ten years ago) link
You can do some hand wavey stuff about dragons and magic and I wont mind too much. When u posit that a world with irregular seasons would still have regular plants and animals as we know them I think you're just being stupid. Maybe this is handled more explicitly in the books or something.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link
Shakey Mo Collier Draws Line In Sand
― 龜, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 01:29 (ten years ago) link
i'll permit this much magic but not a drop more
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
For all we know in the "real" version of the world that the show portrays everyone is a ten foot tall amoeboid creature that speaks in hormones, but it's all translated back into a understandable form to us.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link
Sorry, shouldn't have spoiled the ending of book seven like that.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 02:35 (ten years ago) link
unrelated, but I noticed with some amusment that margery's wedding dress was the least booby thing she's worn in the entire show
Yeah, I hated it.
He settled on "Widow's Wail", didn't he? Something like that anyway.
Guh, I interpreted that as "Widow's Whale," and I've bloody read the books.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 04:59 (ten years ago) link
Widow's whale tail
― 龜, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 05:08 (ten years ago) link
I think what is mostly bothering me about the irregular seasons is that everyone knows that winter is coming, and yet they are all using their resources on these bullshit wars. So the populace should have realized they will all probably starve to death, and should be in an uproar, but they're all so passive.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:17 (ten years ago) link
I think only the old heads remember what the last winter is like
It's like as far away as WWII
― 龜, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:22 (ten years ago) link
so totally unrealistic that the nation would waste its time + resources on bullshit wars instead of imminent climate disaster
― Mordy , Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:25 (ten years ago) link
Nothing like a good bullshit war to keep populations passive.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:25 (ten years ago) link
Maybe the root material cause for the war was the failure of the houses to adequately prepare for averting starvation during the long winter, forcing them to shift at the last minute into pillage mode, also to try to grab what they could of Westeros's temperate regions.
― jmm, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 12:41 (ten years ago) link
So the Stark House's motto is 'Winter Is Coming', which is a pretty sensible, albeit glass-half-empty slogan. Do they change it during winter to 'Summer Is Coming'?
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link
Winter Was Coming
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:09 (ten years ago) link
"Winter Came"
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
New slogan: everyone gets $600 back on their taxes
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
LOL!
― schwantz, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
everyone knows that winter is coming, and yet they are all using their resources on these bullshit wars. So the populace should have realized they will all probably starve to death, and should be in an uproar, but they're all so passive.
imagine!
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
oh mordy did already carry on
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
you have to remember that there is a well-funded group that has a financial interest in suggesting that Winter is NOT coming, reminding everyone that Winter has come and gone in cycles for hundreds of millions of years, that the citizens of Westeros have nothing to do with it and should not worry about it at all.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
Lannisters == Kochs? (Pity that the Kraken sigil belongs to the Greyjoys.)
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
Wasn't there something like the old age of magic caused the seasonal irregularities?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
I was under the impression that the winter isn't as bad in all parts of Westeros. Dorn stays warm all the time right?
― mizzell, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
"the florida of westeros"
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
In the 1970s National Geographic used to run articles about how Summer was coming
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
I imagine Dorne is like Southern Italy climate wise, ie gets a bit cold and grey but not really.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
http://theconversation.com/game-of-thrones-why-hasnt-westeros-had-an-industrial-revolution-25240
― nashwan, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
^^This kind of thing often bugs me about fantasy societies that seem to stay in technological stasis for 1000+ years.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
Who will be the Marx of Westeros?
― 龜, Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link
dragons, germs, and steel
― ryan, Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:37 (ten years ago) link
Valyrian steel!
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
One of the Brotherhood Without Banners? Thoros, probably?
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:40 (ten years ago) link
This kind of thing often bugs me about fantasy societies that seem to stay in technological stasis for 1000+ years.
i know for sure that there are people around here who know a ton about this topic, but isn't that kinda the M.O. of the fantasy genre? as in: magic replaces or forestalls the industrial revolution indefinitely. or else the narrative seems driven by the end of the "era of magic" as a coming magic-less modernity replaces it. no idea whether/how GOT even fits into that, however.
― ryan, Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:47 (ten years ago) link
Feel like the Maesters also have a monopoly on all technical knowledge and are probably not shy about maintaining it?
― 龜, Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:54 (ten years ago) link
Despite being magical in nature, the Wall is the site of some interesting technology -- I'm thinking mostly of the elevator -- and is beyond the Citadel's influence.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 17 April 2014 00:59 (ten years ago) link
The Eyrie also has an elevator type contraption
― 龜, Thursday, 17 April 2014 01:03 (ten years ago) link
i know for sure that there are people around here who know a ton about this topic, but isn't that kinda the M.O. of the fantasy genre?
That or it backtracks. Tolkien never delves too deeply into this -- I suspect it wasn't an area that he wanted to think over too much! -- but there's always a sense of heights long distant that have been lost. Essentially an oversimplified view of technological collapse after the Roman Empire leading into the 'Dark Ages,' so there's at most a tenuous maintaining of what's still around. (One thing that still impresses me a bit about LOTR is that it's a fairly empty landscape, strewn with ruins and the past.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 April 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
I guess Industrial Revolution fantasy is stuff like Steampunk or maybe something like Alasdair Gray's Lanark.
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 08:17 (ten years ago) link
robot dragons by season 6 or gtfoimo
― nashwan, Thursday, 17 April 2014 08:44 (ten years ago) link
saruman is an industrialist & middle earth is a prelapsarian rural paradise of staffordshire lads who like to wander down country lanes singing songs about trees. imo it's too pre-industrial, it doesn't have the feel george lucas spoke about of a "used universe", but the language felt real & lived in. I suspect a fantasy writer who was really into economic history wld not be especially popular, but I feel like it cld be a noble endeavour
― ogmor, Thursday, 17 April 2014 09:35 (ten years ago) link
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin)
China Mieville's Bas Lag novels also.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 17 April 2014 10:39 (ten years ago) link
howl's moving castle too?
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 10:48 (ten years ago) link
I really want a fantasy novel by someone into economic history. We could call it 'hard fantasy'. Something about the discovery of new trading routes leading to a decline in the citystates formerly with a monopoly on the trade of Varisian Pepper. Leading to a scramble for new conquests among the bordering powers.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 17 April 2014 10:54 (ten years ago) link
Weren't the Star Wars prequels based on trade wars and sanctions?
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:00 (ten years ago) link
wldnt a fantasy writer into economic history just be a scifi writer
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:27 (ten years ago) link
Frank Herbert
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:32 (ten years ago) link
Frederik, try this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darkness_Series
― Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Thursday, 17 April 2014 11:34 (ten years ago) link