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Everyone can do with reading more Plato.

Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Saturday, 19 April 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link

Took a humanities survey course during long ago freshman year nicknamed "From Plato to NATO," isn't that enough?

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 April 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link

I have reviewed books that later ended up as blurbs on publisher websites & amazon publisher provided text for books. not sure what I think about that since the publishers don't ask my permission to use my review in ad copy

Euler, Saturday, 19 April 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link

I am not HP although we've met a couple of times

Euler, Saturday, 19 April 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link

Were you able to pierce the veil, see through the facade?

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 April 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link

plato was responsible for buzz

markers, Saturday, 19 April 2014 20:43 (ten years ago) link

Aldrin? Dr. Rendezvous?

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 April 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link

google

markers, Saturday, 19 April 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_buzz

markers, Saturday, 19 April 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link

Euler: I guess we're proud of you?

Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Saturday, 19 April 2014 23:28 (ten years ago) link

*bows*

Euler, Saturday, 19 April 2014 23:59 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, yeah

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 April 2014 00:07 (ten years ago) link

I call Harry Frankfurt

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 April 2014 00:12 (ten years ago) link

would it be appropriate to discuss on this thread more broadly "theoretical" stuff that doesn't necessarily fall within "philosophy"? I recently, kind of serendipitously, came across Janet Roitman's "Anti-Crisis." It's a short little thing, and I'm only past the introduction, but it's pretty interesting so far, and she engages with some theorists I am also into (kosselleck, luhmann) in a pretty novel way (so far).

ryan, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link

(^I think the answer to this question is yes)

this article on the limits & nature of Philosophy as a discipline seems to share some of my complaints w/ philosophy as I walked away from it, though I think conflating the western philosophical tradition w/ 'urbanity' (I think I know what he means but this is not a clear or neat term) is obv nonsense & there are other things I would pick at. would be v curious what you guys made of it

http://www.berfrois.com/2014/04/what-is-philosophy-still-excluding

ogmor, Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:35 (nine years ago) link

I've read Agamben's Remnants of Auschwitz: The Witness and the Archive. It's really interesting, with the imposibility to bear witness about so much of this horror. The short acounts from surviving Muselmänner at the end is one of the best plottwists in a philosophy-book I've read. Not quite Tractatus-level, but still. But I've been wondering a thing: Does anyone know of a good book that discusses these same things, but includes a wider variety of camps? I mean, the Shoah is unique, there were no gaschambers in the Gulags (to start with just one difference) but I do get sorta interested in knowing if there was the equivalent of Muselmänner in those places, and what different historical circumstances does to the ability to witness it afterwards.

Am now reading second volume of Foucault's History of Sexuality. Is good so far.

Frederik B, Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link

the big exception to that urbanity thesis is Heidegger, right?

finished "Anti-Crisis." I liked it a lot. neat little book.

about 2/3 of the way through Martin Jay's "Marxism and Totality." it's old (1984), but since I don't know much about the subject (essentially 20th century "Western Marxism") it's been really enlightening and Jay is always smart and lucid. wish there were more books like the type he tends to write.

the two figures that are really standing out for further study so far are Lucien Goldmann and, quite surprisingly to me, Sartre. possibly because both of them seem to have a pretty vexed and complicated relationship to marxism. though i know Sartre turns towards the dialectic later on (haven't gotten that far yet).

ryan, Friday, 2 May 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link

trying to look up jean cavailles on amazon I came across this new book that looks awfully interesting:
http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=22793

ryan, Monday, 5 May 2014 05:11 (nine years ago) link

nominally irrationalist tendencies of husserl's thought???

j., Monday, 5 May 2014 05:17 (nine years ago) link

yeah that book should be good, KP's done a lot of interesting stuff, very detailed and scholarly. Tho that tendency resulted in him giving one of the most baffling papers I've ever seen - a very precise look at the internal debates in some branch of '70s and '80s French philosophy that hasn't really had an Anglophone reception and I had no awareness of, it felt like I'd been transported to a parallel universe.

Merdeyeux, Monday, 5 May 2014 05:29 (nine years ago) link

following the links on that page led me to some clicking around on amazon and found this forthcoming book on laruelle:
http://www.amazon.com/Laruelle-Posthumanities-Alexander-R-Galloway/dp/0816692130/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=19TWKSAEFZER0FHZ01BR

ryan, Thursday, 8 May 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link

occasional talk on here about phil + math leads me to post these talks from a conference last year at CUNY on simplicity in mathematics and the arts

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNsCWKeJESOX_wYUVWmtw5A/videos

Euler, Thursday, 8 May 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link

in markers link the Steven Shaviro book actually looks pretty interesting as well

ryan, Thursday, 8 May 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link

I've been reading Curtis White's stuff lately(from his Science Delusion) on back, and if you can get past his tone, he has some interesting things to say. He overindulgences on his cranky schtick occasionally

Also, my undergrad philo classes would have been far more comprehensible to me back then if I had replaced "the Self" with "the camera" in everything I read. Talking about what "the camera perceives" is far more quickly graspable for a young film geek.

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 8 May 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link

Is Bouviour's The Second Sex actually would consuming in full, or would a shortened précis do? It's one of those tomes I never got to in my existentialism classes

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 8 May 2014 16:27 (nine years ago) link

i feel like a biography about her might be really interesting, though i've never read The Second Sex.

ryan, Thursday, 8 May 2014 16:29 (nine years ago) link

Edit: "would" -> "worth", thank you phone keyboard/autocorrect

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 8 May 2014 16:37 (nine years ago) link

I've only read the 1953 Parshley translation, which makes some abridgements to the French original that the more recent Borde and Malovany-Chevalier translation avoids, but yes, it's really foundational to second-wave feminism, and very much worth reading in full.

one way street, Thursday, 8 May 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link

really enjoyed this article from Nathan Brown (featured above clapping on OOO):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9806378/Brown%20-%20Absent%20Blue%20Wax.pdf

there's a lot there that's common to some things I've been trying to do in my own work (though obv in a very different register). at the same time, however, it sorta reminds me that I'm still at a distance from certain philosophical traditions, particularly insofar as I raise an eyebrow when he talks about "the power of the mind to think an idea without a corresponding impression" on the order of a meillassouxian "necessity of contingency." not that I have a problem with philosophy making this claim on it's own behalf, it's more a sense that my own thinking doesn't seek to begin or arrive at that point, which is perhaps to say it isn't philosophical? (for better or worse). if that makes sense.

ryan, Sunday, 11 May 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link

guys I'm basically asking WHAT IS PHILOSOPHY?!

ryan, Sunday, 11 May 2014 20:17 (nine years ago) link

haha "clapping" is way off! mean "crapping." get it right, autocorrect.

ryan, Sunday, 11 May 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link

i assumed you meant like, licking shots

j., Sunday, 11 May 2014 20:21 (nine years ago) link

that's an image!

I wonder if there's been any riposte to brown's takedown. don't have the heart to look it up though.

ryan, Sunday, 11 May 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link

thoughtful and considered responses to criticism aren't really something OOOers are known for tbh.

Merdeyeux, Sunday, 11 May 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link

that sounds like correlationist talk

j., Sunday, 11 May 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link

there's other nathan brown in here (pdf link): http://www.re-press.org/book-files/OA_Version_Speculative_Turn_9780980668346.pdf

markers, Monday, 12 May 2014 00:29 (nine years ago) link

if takedowns of OOO are your thing I recall that http://www.speculations-journal.org/storage/Noumenons%20New%20Clothes_Pt1_Wolfendale.pdf was a good and long and very detailed one. Me tbh I feel less and less need to engage with that world, though maybe that's more the result of me getting increasingly myopic than any position of merit.

Merdeyeux, Monday, 12 May 2014 00:35 (nine years ago) link

ha, nice title. good read so far.

also can this guy let me in on how to be an "independent researcher"?

ryan, Monday, 12 May 2014 01:22 (nine years ago) link

unfortunately in his and many other cases i've seen i think that esteemed title really means "has had lots of job applications rejected".

Merdeyeux, Monday, 12 May 2014 02:20 (nine years ago) link

oh haha i guess i am one then!

ryan, Monday, 12 May 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link

u've made it bb!

Merdeyeux, Monday, 12 May 2014 02:32 (nine years ago) link

why not treat yourself, make it 'head researcher, the ryan institute'

j., Monday, 12 May 2014 02:40 (nine years ago) link

really that position should be an endowed chair.

finished that piece on OOO merdeyeux posted. some of the endless parsing of harman's system kinda made me glaze over but the conclusion he reaches jives with my sense of it:

Far from challenging the retreat of philosophers from the world of into the bastion of consciousness, he has simply extended the domain of consciousness into the world.

ryan, Monday, 12 May 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link

does that just mean 'they are idealists ha ha'?

j., Monday, 12 May 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link

something like that, I think?

it's funny, judging from the book I just finished it seems that pointing out each other's latent idealism was a major pastime of 20th century marxists.

ryan, Monday, 12 May 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link

Those of you interested in metaphysics and mind might want to know that David Armstrong has died. Metaphysics certainly wasn't my speciality, and I'm sure I argued against him in the couple of essays I did that touched on his work, but still an important figure in academic philosophy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Malet_Armstrong

emil.y, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link

this article from Graham Priest is bouncing around twitter: http://aeon.co/magazine/world-views/logic-of-buddhist-philosophy/

im intrigued by his new book "One: Being an Investigation into the Unity of Reality and of its Parts, including the Singular Object which is Nothingness." I love that sort of thing (though I am dumb in logic). but the article doesn't really do much to suggest he's adding anything new to the topic. seems either weirdly ignorant of a lot of stuff or just ignoring it to make its own claims to originality.

ryan, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link


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