dragons more like b-52s
― balls, Thursday, 1 May 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
does that make Harrenhalll Dresden or Nagasaki
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 1 May 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
yes
― balls, Thursday, 1 May 2014 01:17 (ten years ago) link
So red wedding = wedding in Yemen or am I confused
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 1 May 2014 02:09 (ten years ago) link
going back a way just ruminating on how false this is -
for the largest part of human history, everyone agreed that a guy could be crucified and then come back to life three days later
― ogmor, Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link
I enjoyed this dumb article from a website I usually hate:
http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/4734-game-of-thrones-lands-as-sf-neighborhoods
― polyphonic, Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:14 (ten years ago) link
lol i was so distracted by the knee-jerk lol-religion mockery that i missed the totally insane largest part of human history assertion
― Mordy, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
well it's only 6,000 years right
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link
although how 2,000 would qualify as most well I dunno
Biblical math.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link
Resurection myths are quite common, eg. Orpheus and Eurydice. Or Balder. People not believing Jesus did it does not mean they didn't believe it could have been done.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:53 (ten years ago) link
leaving aside theological questions I don't think 50% of the world population have been christian at any point over the past 2000 years, which in turn is <1% of the time there have been modern humans. I would definitely agree that people have believed all sorts of crazy crap over this period though, I'm just quibbling B-)
― ogmor, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:03 (ten years ago) link
Again, that is not what I'm claiming. I'm claiming people would have believed it to be possible. There's a pretty important 'could' in my post.
― Frederik B, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:14 (ten years ago) link
And it might seem as if I'm stubborn and nitpicking, but my point is, that religions and myths existed in a worldview that was a lot less sceptical. Which is the worldview GoT takes up. So saying that Dragons have turned to 'myths' doesn't mean that people wouldn't be afraid of them anymore, and be perfectly convinced that they could come back.
― Frederik B, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:18 (ten years ago) link
from my quoting I thought it was clear I was only picking at yr supporting assertion. an 8th century dane/lannister serf has no good reason for believing in rhinos and giant squid but not unicorns and dragons. don't think bringing up the crucifixion helps this argument at all though, especially as miracles are by definition exceptional & require a background of scepticism & ideas of regularity to have any potency
― ogmor, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
It's not earth. It's a fictional world. Anything goes.
― Dreamland, Friday, 2 May 2014 00:47 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/gXc9762.gif
― 龜, Friday, 2 May 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link
are you guys actually arguing about how scared of dragons fictional peasants in a fantasy world might be?
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
the fuck else would we be doing?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
just checking, carry on
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
Bro we are all scared of dragons one way or another
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
they're more scared of us tbh
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
wrt the dragons i think, and maybe book readers have a better sense of this, that perhaps there's a good reason that the powers that be would like to keep the dragons from being general knowledge in westeros. aren't many people still sympathetic to the targaryens? and given the current chaos, i can imagine if a blond person riding dragons shows up, they are gonna be pretty psyched about it. lannisters, et al, have every reason to pooh-pooh the idea that there are dragons out there.
― ryan, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
I just had an image flash of Winnie the Pooh riding a gigantic dragon and enjoying a pot of honey.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 2 May 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
scale of 1 to 10 how scared of dragons are the peasants
― lag∞n, Friday, 2 May 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
aren't many people still sympathetic to the targaryens?
not really no
― Number None, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
People still like Rheagar, but the last monarch of their line was horrible and insane.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
i could see smallfolk yearning for the power and relative stability of the targs as things get worse the same way neo-fascist and neo-stalinist ideologies have resurged
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link
Not really clear from the books iirc. You hear both sides of the argument at different times from different sources (i.e. Viserys and the Lannisters). Thought the general impression was that, given what a fucking mess the country has got into by this stage of the story as a result of the civil war, many of the "smallfolk" were feeling pretty uncharitable towards the powers that be and are pining for the days of yore when the Targaryens were in charge and the harvest was going unburned, you could sleep safely in your houses etc. I may be misremembering or exaggerating this to some extent though
― Windsor Davies, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
interesting
Aerys II Targaryen, popularly called the Mad King, is an unseen character in Game of Thrones. He is deceased when the events of the series begin. Liam Burke was cast to play him in flashback in Season 1,[1] but the scene was cut for time and pacing
― Number None, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
trying to remember, has the show ever used any kind of flashback? peyote bran dreams don't count
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
Not really, unless you count the beginning of this season's premiere when we were subtly re-introduced to Ice while Tywin was melting it down.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
+ would peasants be afraid of flashbacks if they had TV shows in westeros?
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, that's right about this season but that just seemed like a season-opening montage-y thing
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link
probably a smart move to lay down a no flashbacks policy for the show I think, but then it's the book-learned fans who seem to think it would add something missing so i should maybe defer to them. don't really know what i'm missing in terms of backstory that could have been flashed back to
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
i think flashies would suck ass and im a bookbro so
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
if the show wants to keep to its house style, all flashbacks should be done as monologues to a naked whore
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
if anything knowing there's cool shit I'm missing out on just makes me want to read the books, which is OK by me
I'm good w/ naked monologues too though
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
The books are a lesson in diminishing returns.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
ok naked monologues then
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
Kinda wish I was a bookbro before a showbro. Now I want to know what happens, but..not really.
― Dreamland, Friday, 2 May 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
Diminishing returns in the books is right so far, but at least part of that is due to how long the fans have to wait between publications. If he stops widening the scope and starts actually making a visible effort to resolve the story then he could probably have the whole thing wrapped in a couple of very exciting volumes. If this isn't his plan then idk
Would recommend the books to anyone, it's the easiest, most plot-driven read ever and tbh it's only a couple of books really, its not like trying to get into Wheel of Time of sthing. Though I imagine going to the books would be a v. different experience now that loads of the best twists and set-pieces have already been shown on TV.
― Windsor Davies, Saturday, 3 May 2014 08:05 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I'm glad I read books 2 & 3 before they were televised. Storm of Swords is such a fun read.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Saturday, 3 May 2014 11:18 (ten years ago) link
Big up everyone who's read the books and keeps reminding us that this show is going to blow in a season or so.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 3 May 2014 14:14 (ten years ago) link
not sure how you're getting that notion tbh. the issue with the books is structural and by nature the show isn't susceptible to it.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 May 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
Hey, I enjoyed the next books - it didn't occur to me that people didn't until this thread.
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Saturday, 3 May 2014 22:37 (ten years ago) link
i did too but i can imagine being pretty let down if i'd been waiting years
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 May 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link
I read 3, 4, and 5 within a few months of each other and can confirm that 4 and 5 blow chunks
― 龜, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:32 (nine years ago) link
i read the first three within a couple months and it took me six months to stumble through book 4 and i just quit halfway through book 5.
― Clay, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link