Erykah Badu: C /D, S&D

yeah i unfollowed erykah over this. not the swaziland thing, but how dumb she seems about everything else

ugh

PUT DOWN THE VINE TWITTER AND RELEASE A NEW ALBUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:54 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:( at all this

^^^

I saw the initial wave but surprised to see she kept going w/ all this

ugh wtf Erykah

it's always seemed to me like she's only on twitter to zing people

she's only on twitter to zing victims of human rights abuses

tbf that's why everyone is on Twitter

http://www.vocativ.com/culture/celebrity/ultimate-tyrant-tour-africa/

You don't say.

http://www.facebook.com/erykahbadu/posts/10152510846441554

she really should!

x 2

Among other more obvious things, a manager would make sure albums get out a little more often than once every 5 years.

What was that? It's down now.

Bragging about never having had a manager in her whole career (which I don't even know if I buy but).

got a ticket to see her with pharrell

Kedar surely played a manager-type role circa Baduizm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYjuEPYzdgU

loooool

http://lh3.ggpht.com/q36NimezZvrJmsO4UT6qNoeUWDaYHaanX97BTbNFJoDQox6aOWQo-mdLFSN4_VX7m7Ne4-wYk1BTNN217hI=s996

Fuck Jill Scott. She's the smiling, fat black lady that sings about love and non threatening things.

― chaki, Friday, July 20, 2001 8:00 PM (13 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wow

yeah, fuck black artists who arent edgy or scary!

she should be skinny and angry

"she should be Michelle Obama"

Wait, was that chaki post a surprise?

don't unban chaki

Ha, someone just posted this on my feed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jObonJzJZG0

I feel like that's pretty much the same critical argument I've read time and again about artists like Corinne Bailey Rae. It's okay to just dislike someone's music without expressing your dislike in terms of how that artist failed to live up/down to some nebulous cultural expectation you harbor in your bigoted mind. It's exceptionally gross.

All of those critiques/complaints read to me like some people are PISSED that there are black middle-class musicians

reminder of how many ilxors used to love chaki and would never ever ever call him out

what a fucking cunt who needed a severe beatdown tho, right? i hope he got it.

All of those critiques/complaints read to me like some people are PISSED that there are black middle-class musicians

― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP)

This was a repulsive strain in a lot of eighties criticism of black pop (Vandross, Baker, Jackson). They couldn't be Prince hence were suspect.

it's still pretty common now!

jill scott is terribly underrated
long as we're on this diversion, i barely remember this entering the conversation but one of the fappening pics was hers and her response was impressively above the fray
https://twitter.com/missjillscott/status/507503268541394945
more discussion here (and in a too much time on ilx double header, this article is by the jazzsplaining guy)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/05/after-naked-photo-hack-white-feminists-ignore-jill-scott/

Greil Marcus quote from the eighties:

“I think Anita Baker is ridiculous. Any time you hear somebody bringing back this kind of genteel, effete black music--the same number the Pointer Sisters pulled in the early '70s when they gave concerts with ‘Black Tie Recommended’ printed on the tickets--it's an incident in class politics that has nothing to do with music."

rock critics HAAAAAATED neo-soul. erykah got out bc she's ostentatiously weird but jill scott, angie stone let alone india arie got zero respect.

THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IS THAT ROCK CRITICS AIN'T SHIT obviously. let no one refer to greil marcus as a respected authority again

also can we literally cut the dicks off everyone involved in the "fappening"

this thread has me replaying words and sounds v 1 so that's good

well greil marcus is also a misogynist imo, which doubles up on things

genteel, effete black music

Uh?

Lex have you really always been into neo soul like that? I don't remember you posting about it all that often

Critics generally liked neo soul is my recollection but I was probably not reading the same critics. I did have a knee jerk neo soul is overrated period that was very ilm inspired but more a result of ilm enabling my "no reason to feel guilty about..." W/ more pop oriented r&b which was obv super exciting at the time. It's weird to think about now bc I was a big fan of Jill Scott and "a long walk" was on mix tapes when I was a college freshman... I mean I thought Macy gray was the shit in high school and in part for rockist reasons (she also had a cool voice though)

My hating on neo soul period was brief bc then I got a girlfriend and found pop r&b didn't really speak to that as well as grown folks r&b did. Or something. At any rate I was really into dwele

Dwele <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxGkLOY0lwI

(((d-_-b)))

As a rock critic who has been writing about these neo-soul artists for a decade and change and who, until I started working for MOJO, was banging my head against a wall with regards to getting them substantial coverage, the main kickback I used to get from editors was that they didn't think these artists were "interesting" enough, which I think is doubtless a permutation of what Dan says above, about how middle class black artists are considered by magazine editors (who are often from considerably more privileged backgrounds) to not be "real" enough. The example of this that still sticks in my craw is when I was pitching Mos Def, circa his first album, to an editor who replied "We hate him, we hate 'mummy's boy' rappers." I mean, Mos Def is hardly even middle class! He grew up on the same housing project as Biggie!! But if you're not selling drugs or shooting people then you aren't "real", as far as these chodes are concerned.

Also, really gladdened to see positive mention of Corinne Bailey Rae here, as I think she is wholly underrated.

Also, I almost picked up an Anita Baker album at a charity shop the other day but didn't. Am regretting it now. Did I fuck up? I love Sweet Love.

biggie didnt grow up in housing projects fyi

ack i meant jay z - marcy projects.

corrine bailey rae's closer is/was one of the best neo soul songs of the past decade.

im not sure critics have ever really gotten erykah. its funny how dangelo has now become so rated outside the usual R&B/rap circles, cos i dont remember it being quite so unanimous back in 2000, but its nice to see. erykah however, i think still isnt quite there, even in spite of flaming lips endorsements etc. maybe dangelo just fits the old soulman model they are more comfortable with whereas erykahs precedents (minnie ripperton, betty davis, etc etc) are maybe more obscure to most rock crits.