just checking, carry on
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
Bro we are all scared of dragons one way or another
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
they're more scared of us tbh
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
wrt the dragons i think, and maybe book readers have a better sense of this, that perhaps there's a good reason that the powers that be would like to keep the dragons from being general knowledge in westeros. aren't many people still sympathetic to the targaryens? and given the current chaos, i can imagine if a blond person riding dragons shows up, they are gonna be pretty psyched about it. lannisters, et al, have every reason to pooh-pooh the idea that there are dragons out there.
― ryan, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
I just had an image flash of Winnie the Pooh riding a gigantic dragon and enjoying a pot of honey.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 2 May 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
scale of 1 to 10 how scared of dragons are the peasants
― lag∞n, Friday, 2 May 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
aren't many people still sympathetic to the targaryens?
not really no
― Number None, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
People still like Rheagar, but the last monarch of their line was horrible and insane.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
i could see smallfolk yearning for the power and relative stability of the targs as things get worse the same way neo-fascist and neo-stalinist ideologies have resurged
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link
Not really clear from the books iirc. You hear both sides of the argument at different times from different sources (i.e. Viserys and the Lannisters). Thought the general impression was that, given what a fucking mess the country has got into by this stage of the story as a result of the civil war, many of the "smallfolk" were feeling pretty uncharitable towards the powers that be and are pining for the days of yore when the Targaryens were in charge and the harvest was going unburned, you could sleep safely in your houses etc. I may be misremembering or exaggerating this to some extent though
― Windsor Davies, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
interesting
Aerys II Targaryen, popularly called the Mad King, is an unseen character in Game of Thrones. He is deceased when the events of the series begin. Liam Burke was cast to play him in flashback in Season 1,[1] but the scene was cut for time and pacing
― Number None, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
trying to remember, has the show ever used any kind of flashback? peyote bran dreams don't count
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link
Not really, unless you count the beginning of this season's premiere when we were subtly re-introduced to Ice while Tywin was melting it down.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
+ would peasants be afraid of flashbacks if they had TV shows in westeros?
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, that's right about this season but that just seemed like a season-opening montage-y thing
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link
probably a smart move to lay down a no flashbacks policy for the show I think, but then it's the book-learned fans who seem to think it would add something missing so i should maybe defer to them. don't really know what i'm missing in terms of backstory that could have been flashed back to
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
i think flashies would suck ass and im a bookbro so
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
if the show wants to keep to its house style, all flashbacks should be done as monologues to a naked whore
― chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
if anything knowing there's cool shit I'm missing out on just makes me want to read the books, which is OK by me
I'm good w/ naked monologues too though
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
The books are a lesson in diminishing returns.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Friday, 2 May 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
ok naked monologues then
― brio, Friday, 2 May 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
Kinda wish I was a bookbro before a showbro. Now I want to know what happens, but..not really.
― Dreamland, Friday, 2 May 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
Diminishing returns in the books is right so far, but at least part of that is due to how long the fans have to wait between publications. If he stops widening the scope and starts actually making a visible effort to resolve the story then he could probably have the whole thing wrapped in a couple of very exciting volumes. If this isn't his plan then idk
Would recommend the books to anyone, it's the easiest, most plot-driven read ever and tbh it's only a couple of books really, its not like trying to get into Wheel of Time of sthing. Though I imagine going to the books would be a v. different experience now that loads of the best twists and set-pieces have already been shown on TV.
― Windsor Davies, Saturday, 3 May 2014 08:05 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I'm glad I read books 2 & 3 before they were televised. Storm of Swords is such a fun read.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Saturday, 3 May 2014 11:18 (ten years ago) link
Big up everyone who's read the books and keeps reminding us that this show is going to blow in a season or so.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 3 May 2014 14:14 (ten years ago) link
not sure how you're getting that notion tbh. the issue with the books is structural and by nature the show isn't susceptible to it.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 May 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
Hey, I enjoyed the next books - it didn't occur to me that people didn't until this thread.
― Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Saturday, 3 May 2014 22:37 (ten years ago) link
i did too but i can imagine being pretty let down if i'd been waiting years
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 May 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link
I read 3, 4, and 5 within a few months of each other and can confirm that 4 and 5 blow chunks
― 龜, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:32 (nine years ago) link
i read the first three within a couple months and it took me six months to stumble through book 4 and i just quit halfway through book 5.
― Clay, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link
I guess if 'this tv show is gonna head off a cliff unless the showrunners make some major departures' is a spoiler then feel free to delete my posts and also half the thread
― 龜, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:42 (nine years ago) link
there's basically no way they don't make drastic changes to the 4/5 material, while arriving at the same destinations the books arrive at, imo. and that's fine, there's just so much filler material, mostly.
― Clay, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:49 (nine years ago) link
Whole fifth season is nothing but various feasts and discussion, the equivalent of My Dinner With Andre.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:51 (nine years ago) link
My Dragons With Andrye
― Clay, Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:55 (nine years ago) link
"The sixth book will be just a thousand-page description of snow blowing across the graves."
― panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Sunday, 4 May 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link
and olives
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 5 May 2014 00:06 (nine years ago) link
turns out the white walkers invaded to steal westeros' most precious treasure: boiled leather.
― reddening, Monday, 5 May 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link
Hahaha
This probably is better for the SPOILERS thread but I swear to god the man just has a Word Macro or a Mad Libs that he fills in for 75% of the paragraphs
― 龜, Monday, 5 May 2014 00:24 (nine years ago) link
Words are wind
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 5 May 2014 00:41 (nine years ago) link
Useless as nipples on a breastplate.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Monday, 5 May 2014 00:44 (nine years ago) link
Lotsa movement in this episode unlike the last one.
Shits getting weird at the eeryie.
― Dreamland, Monday, 5 May 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link
think this was my favorite ep of the season so far. lots of denouement which means the next couple episodes are going to be terrible until the second to last which will blow my mind and almost convince me to try reading these books again.
― building a desert (art), Monday, 5 May 2014 02:24 (nine years ago) link
loved that trippy shot with Jojen in the tent. wish the show would do take that approach more often when portraying the crazy mystical stuff.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 5 May 2014 03:50 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, Jojen's surreal flaming hand was cool, as was his "I saw you die" line. This was such a low-key and talky episode for the most part, and I really enjoyed it. Seeing two Starks come *this close* to reuniting before going down separate paths again was painful in the best way.
― zchyrs, Monday, 5 May 2014 04:04 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYBAMxJecLI
― Dan I., Monday, 5 May 2014 06:02 (nine years ago) link
I was anticipating that what was my biggest "oh I see" moment of Book Three-- Jon Arryn's murderer revealed-- was gonna be somewhat toothless because of time and extra info in the TV series, but that reveal felt completely throwaway and unfortunate
― "got ye!" (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
I was anticipating that what was my biggest "oh I see" moment of Book Three-- Jon Arryn's murderer revealed-- was gonna be somewhat toothless because of time and extra info in the TV series, but that reveal felt completely throwaway and unfortunate --"got ye!" (flamboyant goon tie included)
I hope they return to it at some point because id like to better understand the motivation. Homeboy couldn't have been playing that long a con on the entire world right? Unless little finger is actually lex luthor or something
― building a desert (art), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link
i dunno it took a few seconds to sink in but it felt like a pretty big "whoa" moment to the group i was watching with.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link
whole episode felt like one long delaying tactic - oh the Starks are gonna be reunited NOPE. oh hey Daenerys is gonna invade Westeros SYKE. Let's just drag things out as looooongggggggg as possssiiiiiibbbbblllllllllleeee
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link
What was revealed? That Arran was poisoned?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 5 May 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link