Macklemore, "Same Love"

Yeah, there are still some topics for him to handle in a totally hamfisted way that stupid people eat up as profundity.

idk his music is pretty generic dance pop all his hits have other people singing the hooks, I'm skeptical of him as a irl pop star, agreed that being a gross self righteous kale smoothie of a man wont hurt him tho, big part of the draw in fact

Yeah I kind of already felt like he had overshot his star potential

um obviously the joke is that jews are cheap and therefore love thrift shops

nb i don't really care but that was the song he was singing while wearing his prosthetic nose, right?

yikes if so

he def did "Thrift Shop"; he did another song too but I'm not invested enough in my google searching to figure out what it was

a gross self righteous kale smoothie of a man

Perfect

I did some work with a large group of college and immediately post-college kids last summer, and there was a deep, serious, and genuine love for Macklemore, feel like that influences my view of how much stardom he has left.

Like, these people were basically already adults, it's not like growing out of your Bieber love or whatever.

Plus they love him as a serious album artist, not just a hitmaker.

i kind of buy the fact that he wasn't trying to do jewface... cause.. whut? .. but the ignorance involved is pretty next-level. honestly what drives me craziest about macklemore is the idea that ceilings.. hold things? it's such a weird, off-putting image. i was about to write that i kind of like thrift shop, cause i kind of do - ¯\(°_o)/¯ - but that said, i would never, ever put it on at a party, or choose to listen to it, so i guess i don't like it that much at all.

macklemore occupies the same space in my head as pitbull - basically, somebody who has no business making a living from rapping, but who somehow has, and have no idea what they're talking about most of the time, or what they're even supposed to be doing, but are just riding this wave of approbation to wherever it takes them, and maybe it's wrong but i kind of find them both adorable. stupid but adorable. that's probably really condescending. again, ¯\(°_o)/¯

Really tired of people excusing their behavior via "that wasn't my intention", as if that would make it "better" when it's really just a different kind of depressing/ugly (don't blame me, blame society)

that "ceilings" song plays in an ad for a chintzy casino here, it's kind of perfect in that regard

I hate to rehash the whole grammy thing, but there was something really tone deaf in a similar way to the "I thought I was gay in 3rd grade" stuff the way he said to Kendrick Lamar "I robbed you." Not "you were robbed, you really deserved the awared" but "I robbed you."

there it is:

https://twitter.com/TuneZanotti_206/status/468442232119255040

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macklemore occupies the same space in my head as pitbull - basically, somebody who has no business making a living from rapping, but who somehow has, and have no idea what they're talking about most of the time, or what they're even supposed to be doing, but are just riding this wave of approbation to wherever it takes them, and maybe it's wrong but i kind of find them both adorable. stupid but adorable. that's probably really condescending. again, ¯\(°_o)/¯

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, May 19, 2014 1:54 PM Bookmark

Maaaan, that's really unfair to Pitbull. Dude went the dance-pop route but he could be (and was) making really good Real Rap if he wanted to.

xp: I'm saying Macklemore fans representing the demographic of modern Reagan Democrats is spot on

I actually know too many self-professed liberals who liked "Same Love."

I've had to argue down white libruls on that one a few times.

And I'm saying "sorry that page does not exist. "

yah rev check yr link & repost

pitbull and macklemore aren't really comparable except as "massively popular rappers that critics dislike"

I actually know too many self-professed liberals who liked "Same Love."

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, May 19, 2014 5:22 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

i've argued on various platforms with white, liberal music critics who generally like rap music but have nonetheless taken the position that you don't have to like macklemore but he should be immune from criticism because at least his music stands for something "positive"

this is a strong faction of people

works for me, I think twitter is just having tech probs right now \o_O/

Ken Spliffey Jr. ‏@TuneZanotti_206

@DJNphared @PROMO206 @sherpaco @akrish @Wizdom80 true. but mack fans have a special "Reagan democrat" stench to them. it's really a lot

Yep. It's the intentionally fallacy wearing a Shylock nose.

Dude went the dance-pop route but he could be (and was) making really good Real Rap if he wanted to.

haha i will confess to having zero knowledge of pitbull before he became whatever the hell he is today. but like... my point was that i kind of like pitbull? the point of comparison with macklemore is that basically i just don't think they're forces for evil. forces for dumbness sure but i think eliding the two is a mistake in this case. (interesting that reagan has been brought up, i remember similar debates about him: dumb or evil? or both?) just my own POV - i recognise there are things to hate about macklemore that i don't have the right receptors for.

Not seeing the connection to "Reagan Democrats." Is it just being used as a term to mean people who say they are liberal but actually are staid and upholding the status quo? Because there's a lot more to the Reagan Democrat "phenomenon."

Unless we're saying Macklemore's fanbase is primarily working class whites who've recently migrated from urban cores.

If Katy Perry had done it, she would have at least said something about how Yentl inspired her so much as a child.

"If"?

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2Ctqt0AF8tAE-sQHczdvuXbhkUJ3Wd1DBG12r8ABAaU4ohCFC

I'm a total idiot about politics, but i'm pretty sure the poster was referring to ppl who were progressive *for their time* but once the 80s rolled around they didn't want to budge no more

re: reagan democrats, it was a matter of "we've given you enough", which has been the political narrative ever since

"Let us have fun, for godsake"

Reagan Democrat = "Shit, Mabel, there's blacks moving into the neighborhood and the plant's closing."

Yeah, I understand those things about Reagan Democrats; I totally am familiar with the term. I'm just struggling to see the connection to Macklemore in this case.

wht ppl who think they are "down" but are in fact not all that "down" after all

wind up voting for lourde

To me it seems more linked to yuppies and high school/college kids with pseudo-hippie tendencies than working class people whose fortunes are falling and are openly resentful of minorities.

Which is not to say there aren't some unpleasant things re: race underlying the Macklemore phenomenon. Just not seeing the connection here.

But Reagan democrats weren't concerned with being "down;" that's the point I'm making. It's grafting a weird hipster narrative about coolness onto a phenomenon directly related to the decline of industry.

And the ever-present components of racial resentment that arose with that decline, naturally because this is America.

Again, there's a lot of gnarly things about race to be found in Macklemore's popularity, that have been discussed at length on this board,.

How about this: every Macklemore fan is Brian Griffin

lol truth

picturing Macklemore barking uncontrollably at Kendrick Lamar now

haha ok just the idea of picturing a "macklemore fan" has magically granted me the required receptors to understand the hate i think

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/28886243.jpg

mackle morefan power rangers

I just wish this dude would Mackle a little less

lol.