Macklemore, "Same Love"

dared to rhyme about things outside of rap's accepted narrative

gtfo they were plenty accepted. unless you are KRS-One

can't believe people itt are arguing that Macklemore & Ryan Lewis sound just like Arrested Development. smdh.

Yeah it's just revisionist to pretend the enthusiasm was white only for a group loved by Randall Keenan, spike lee, Danyel smith, etc. plenty of black writers were glad for a popular alternative to gangsta

― da croupier, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:01 AM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i didn't say ONLY white people liked it, just that a bunch of white people jumping on board who were ignoring the vast majority of the genre was what made it seem esp suspect

well the idiotic part is assuming only white people can appreciate an alternative to the rap norm

― da croupier, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:23 AM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the idiotic part is you projecting a strawman onto us

i didn't say ONLY white people liked it, just that a bunch of white people jumping on board who were ignoring the vast majority of the genre was what made it seem esp suspect

I would argue that it only seemed suspect to other white people

dared to rhyme about things outside of rap's accepted narrative

gtfo they were plenty accepted. unless you are KRS-One

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:58 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

KRS-One throwing Prince Be offstage was widely thought to be funny and was used in punchlines etc...to act like PM Dawn wasn't seen as soft or corny of...basically faggy....you weren't engaged in rap then or rap media

also why the hell are we having an authenticity argument about Arrested Development and PM Dawn on the Macklemore thread

I think Arrested was in general more in the tenor of a certain portion of hip hop culture at the time as I mentioned, and there were others to the left of even them like Divine Styler or Me Phi Me etc

btw who is Οὖτις,

def one of the worst thing on the nets these days is WP competing to demonstrate their deep understanding of racial politics, so over WP tbh

Poor Illmatic, I hope it recovered

it did whiney :)

maybe we should just wholesale turn this thread into "the evolution of Michael Franti" and call it a day

lol

Internet, drug of a nation

to act like PM Dawn wasn't seen as soft or corny of...basically faggy....you weren't engaged in rap then or rap media

oh they were seen like that yeah. People said the same shit about De La/Native Tongues, who also got into onstage fights, and are pretty widely regarded as canonical nowadays. PM Dawn were an easy target for other acts to position themselves as "harder than". But they still sold a lot of records, and I don't think it was entirely to white people who didn't otherwise listen to rap.

xp

I give the rich a giant tax loophole
I leave the poor living in a poophole

I'd argue that PM Dawn read more like a pop/R&B group but I don't think anyone on the Boomerang soundtrack can be accused of only being appealing to white people.

If you get really high and listen to PM Dawn loud it's fuckin awesome

that's my contribution to this discussion

i didn't say ONLY white people liked it, just that a bunch of white people jumping on board who were ignoring the vast majority of the genre was what made it seem esp suspect

I would argue that it only seemed suspect to other white people

― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:01 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i think this is key - esp when you consider that the person most credited for Illmatic's insta-canonical status is John Schecter. The shift feels way more generational than racial - it's not as if the Chronic didn't have a bunch of white people jumping on board who were also ignoring the vast majority of the genre.

FWIW the classic hip-hop stations in both LA and Phoenix still play Arrested Development from time to time; heard "Tennessee" and "Everyday People" multiple times. Can't recall ever hearing PM Dawn, though that doesn't mean it wasn't on the playlist.

ha i had no idea there was such a thing as an oldies rap station

neither did i, in fact i've been annoyed for a while that that's not yet a national radio trend

Yeah, not sure if KDAY in LA still is primarily classic hip-hop in format; it was when I left in 2011. Phoenix has "The Beat," which was all classic hip-hop in 2011 but is now a mix of new and old.

dead sirius

http://www.siriusxm.com/backspin

yeah the beat is pretty good!

there's some clear channel station in Los Angeles that plays "dusties" which in this case means classic r&b and hip hop (mostly the former, but some of the latter) from roughly 1970 to 1990. when i was there i listened to it constantly, heard lots of songs that i otherwise never hear on the radio, not just old school hip hop but mid-1980s freestyle, new jack swing, 1970s vocal groups, zapp and roger, etc.

I loved the Beat when I first moved to Phoenix, but they definitely started narrowing their classic playlists around 2012. Phoenix also has a classic 70s/80s R&B/funk station.

to bring this back on topic: all of the aforementioned genres/artists are better than macklemore. but you knew that.

i'm a little annoyed at the seeming presumption by some posters here that macklemore doesn't have many black fans. there are plenty of black folks who aren't particularly invested in hip hop and the policing of its boundaries and like a wide swath of pop music just like everyone else, which probably includes whatever macklemore song is riding the charts at the moment. implying or stating otherwise is stereotyping, kind of reminds me of the whole "why does black people not want to rock" thing.

Chicago has a dusties station but somehow their mix of music isn't as heady or varied as the one in Los Angeles. from what I recall it mostly sticks to what you might call "soul" (vocal groups, aretha, luther vandross, that type of thing) and doesn't have much straight funk, electro, or hip hop.

actually I dunno if the Chicago station still exists or, if it does exist, if it plays the same type of thing as it did a few years ago.

if you're talking WVAZ it does still exist but they are not exclusively oldies, you'll hear 50's ray charles alongside new pharrel singles

i never remember call letters!

http://www.v103.com/main.html

best radio station

zero macklemore

even before i clicked that link, i imagined there was probably a 60% chance of seeing steve harvey on there.

i never have it on during his show but i do hear the extended promos they air for it

also they air keith sweat's syndicated show on weeknights

THE SWEAT HOTEL

http://www.v103.com/onair/the-sweat-hotel-47100/

ew that title

why not THE SWEAT LODGE?

its the best & sadly there is no audio of it online

ppl call in and confess that they've been cheating on their sig other

or they call in and answer keith's topic of the evening, for ex: "ladies: is your man putting it down the way you need him to? and fellas is your lady putting it down the way you need her to?"

lol if not call me keith sweat and we can talk abt it girl

yeah i think this is key - esp when you consider that the person most credited for Illmatic's insta-canonical status is John Schecter. The shift feels way more generational than racial - it's not as if the Chronic didn't have a bunch of white people jumping on board who were also ignoring the vast majority of the genre.

― da croupier, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dunno man i'm just looking at pazz n jop & av club fetishization of alt rappers in the early 00s that basically ignored anything vaguely 'commercial' or 'street'

obv this isn't an issue any more (as i was saying i agree with m@tt? or you guys forgot so you could pile on?) but no it wasn't just white ppl policing myopic 'indie' coverage of hip hop that thought dj shadow and dr octagon and (at one point) arrested development made the most important rap records EVAH

all i'm saying is it was understandable why things leaned so far back the other way ... arrested development were cool & good, so were PM Dawn, but they were definitely overhyped at one point

i know that we're so above that now that ilx YT's have longstanding support of VIC's "Get Silly" but let's not pretend that the 'hip-hop is entering its hair metal phase' jim derogatisms of hip-hop at the turn of the millennium were some sort of balanced, un-problematic wonderland of hip hop coverage

hair metal is good

Entroducing is so good.

its also not rap

i also like dr. octagon

If its not rap is it hip hop?