Erm...are you sure you're listening to Magma?
― Joe, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― your null fame, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Then there's also non-Zeuhl (i.e., don't be expecting Magma or near-Magma) albums by Zeuhl musicians--these are recommended:
Laurent Thibault's "Mais on ne Peut Pas..." (like a symph prog album)Stella Vander's "D'Epreuves D'amour" (moody, melancholic piano/vocal music)Pierre Michel Sivadier's "D'Amour Fou D'Amour" (ditto)Simon Goubert's "L'Encierro" (jazz)
― Joe (Joe), Sunday, 18 August 2002 04:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Sunday, 18 August 2002 04:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:55 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:59 (twenty years ago) link
― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link
― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago) link
(PS - MAGMA ROXXXX SO MUCH)
― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago) link
― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago) link
For my money, the moments in Magma that remind me most of Ruins are on Wurdah Itah, and even then, you have to imagine them amplified by about 100x.
― dleone (dleone), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/freakzone/
[the show should be on listen again in a couple hours time]
also NEW Magma album released in Europe tomorrow:http://muzihk.free.fr/ka/html/english.htm
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Monday, 8 November 2004 01:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Monday, 8 November 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway, if you like 1001 Degrees Centigrade, you'll like this one.
― Lefty, Monday, 8 November 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― (Jon L), Monday, 8 November 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link
But, yes, overall it still seems a bit much to me as well...the next two tracks are each over 20 minutes!
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link
I got the DVD of it! In a car boot sale! For £5! Tried watching all of it in one sitting, but that was being wildly over-ambitious on my part. And stretched my schoolboy French well beyond the limit trying to follow the documentary that came with it.
― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link
More so given that said item is out of print now. Maybe I could trouble Steve Davis for a copy.
― myopic_void (myopic_void), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnNngMb4lvk
― Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― myopic_void (myopic_void), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― myopic_void (myopic_void), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
Two awesome's in the same post about Magma. Could've been more.
― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.emusic.com/artist/Magma/11777412.html
I have Kohntarkosz, Attahk and Udu Wudu. What next among these?
― abanana, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 03:01 (sixteen years ago) link
those arent so hot
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 06:52 (sixteen years ago) link
pretty much all of the other albums were added to emusic today
― abanana, Monday, 20 August 2007 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link
that's almost a reason to join emusic. i'll have to do the 150 free mp3s thing again soon.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link
abanana - wurdah itah is the best record you don't list, but if you can stand another version of kohntarkosz, the BBC 1974 Londres is great (esp as its version of theusz hamtaahk is arguably definitive).
― Dominique, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Followed Dominique's suggestions from here over to AllMusic, read the reviews of the recs he suggests.
Saw he wrote those reviews.
lolz.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 October 2007 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBI1EL6G5vY
― Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link
thank you for making my day
― errang (rushomancy), Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
fantastic... thank you!
― visiting, Saturday, 5 January 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
holy shit just hook it to my veins
this studio version! https://xoxo-ex.bandcamp.com/album/the-last-seven-minutes
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Sunday, 6 January 2019 01:25 (five years ago) link
A thread on nerdy Japanese backroom musicians/producers telegraphing their obsessions via idol culture is overdue imho.
― MaresNest, Sunday, 6 January 2019 13:00 (five years ago) link
love that the cover for the single is a takeoff on Flaming Youth's "Ark" album
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 6 January 2019 21:41 (five years ago) link
its like a fever dream
― frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2019 14:50 (five years ago) link
lol MaresNest listen to this
https://xoxo-ex.bandcamp.com/track/progressive-be-bop
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
Trailer for the forthcoming album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCF9-k_LnOg
― Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 11:01 (five years ago) link
getting the feeling that this is gonna be insanely good
― frogbs, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:56 (five years ago) link
Who says Vander doesn't have a sense of humour?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hc02vaxDow
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Monday, 26 August 2019 09:57 (four years ago) link
That film title, though (think 'me want da Benjamins')… Casual racism in the service of post-May 1968 anti-capitalism. Autres temps, autres mœurs, I guess.
― pomenitul, Monday, 26 August 2019 10:13 (four years ago) link
looks pretty fantastic actually
http://www.frenchfilms.org/review/moi-y-en-a-vouloir-des-sous-1973.html
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 00:09 (four years ago) link
we haven't discussed the new album much - I know it's an old piece but still, I think it's as good as K.A. or ER. the orchestra is a really nice touch.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
Heads up, there's a fantastic audience recording from Toulouse '72 gone up on D1m3 for those that are interested.
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link
holy fucking shit, thank you, i haven't been on dime in ages and never would have seen this. this is amazing, a 15 minute dotz hundin?!? i know of the rare charente tape from the same month that opens with a killer version of "undia", a great tape by a really unusual skeletal lineup, so fantastic to have more, all hail the liberators
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:00 (four years ago) link
YALL THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING
i had no fucking idea dotz hundin was ever performed outside that one time
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:06 (four years ago) link
Seems there was a big upheaval in the ranks at the end of last year - long-serving bass genius Philippe Bussonnet has been replaced with Jannick Top's son (!) and the vibes player is gone too. Several new singers have swelled the ranks though, although of course it's all on hold for a while now along with everything else.
― i was joking about the cat soup thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:41 (four years ago) link
Be aware this is two years out of date now and it's all changed again.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/631d4bfede7feaa1d54e6459f535fe75.png
― dominance and transmission (Matt #2), Saturday, 6 June 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
Stella did some cute stuff pre-Magma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLE4AeCnpjw
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/6sx5dHL.jpg
― frogbs, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 03:48 (three years ago) link
Fair deal
― Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 07:01 (three years ago) link
new stuff coming Oct 7? I thought Zess was supposed to be their final album? anyone have a clue what this is?
https://www.facebook.com/zeuhlwortzmekanik/posts/578689800285739
― frogbs, Friday, 17 June 2022 15:23 (one year ago) link
Preview track up from the oddly-titled new album Kãrtëhl. Sounds upbeat!
https://seventhrecordsmagma.bandcamp.com/album/k-rt-hl
― downton abbey 2049 (Matt #2), Saturday, 13 August 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link
Maybe cuz this (and at least one other track) are from the Attahk era? I wonder what the rest sounds like. Only listened to a minute of the preview track (cuz let’s face it, I’m buying this no matter what) and it’s nice
― frogbs, Sunday, 14 August 2022 00:14 (one year ago) link
Wow the preview track is great, reminds me of Félicité Thösz. Was hoping they would return to the more melodic, optimistic vibe of that one.
― J. Sam, Sunday, 14 August 2022 18:08 (one year ago) link
Bandcamp page is still up but the preview track and buying options seem to have disappeared
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 11:55 (one year ago) link
anyone got it yet? my copy is still on order but it looks like some people got theirs weeks ago
The Quietus reviewed it, they seem pretty high on it
https://thequietus.com/articles/32113-magma-krthl-review
if it's really somewhere between Attahk & FT I suspect I'm gonna like it very much
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 14:11 (one year ago) link
oh yeah it's nice. I actually hear echoes of a lot of Magma albums on this. the band itself sounds a bit like Offering, real jazzy and smooth. it's recorded really well too. this is how I wish they were recording Vander's drums from the start. lets see what else. one of the tracks opens with what sounds like the entire band making turkey noises. I love it. "Dehnde" is the track that sounds like what Magma would've done after Attahk. I also think this is the first Magma album you could probably play in mixed company. it just sounds really great. my only complaint is the vinyl itself which is a 2xLP when the album itself could easily fit on one. it's cool that the demos are there but you don't really need them. it's not like they were anywhere near complete at that stage. on the other hand I guess showing what these tracks evolved from 45 years ago is pretty cool. just not worth the extra LP. whatever. the music rules.
― frogbs, Monday, 17 October 2022 04:07 (one year ago) link
also got the lps over the weekend. agreed on the smooth, polished sound and this being a generally good thing. its pretty evocative music, something like a jazzy lost morricone score to an italian 70s police procedural. or something.
initially this feels like this might be the best since Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré but i gotta spend some more time with it.
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 17 October 2022 23:13 (one year ago) link
they sound like Setna now. who of course draw a lot from Magma. I mean this could've been on the album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pjESCC_nkQ
just noticed that the new bassist is Jimmy Top, who I assume is the son of Jannick Top. or maybe the brother of Jimmy Pop??
― frogbs, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 19:00 (one year ago) link
I never thought that I would hear any music ever again that sounded like "Supertzar" off of Sabotage, like a mass offered up to the Elder Gods or some shit…but goddamned if that's not what Mekanik Destruktiw Kommndoh sounds like… one almost wonders if Tony heard Magma, much less this record…very very unlikely…
― veronica moser, Friday, 21 October 2022 19:09 (one year ago) link
new video?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmgJkEajQUo
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 13 April 2023 08:16 (one year ago) link
RIP Brian Godding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s0TwBJ8gf0
― sophie glanced up, looking concerned (Matt #2), Monday, 27 November 2023 12:56 (five months ago) link
listening to the best album of all time, merci
― ivy., Thursday, 4 January 2024 05:01 (four months ago) link
i mean all-time for "otis" alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTERp_MTcis
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 05:54 (four months ago) link
I love the live versions of Otis. the studio cut is alright, a little subdued, which makes that high note Vander hits pretty jarring. imo Side 2 of Merci is incredible. in fact I think the whole album would be much better regarded if they'd just cut the first track.
― frogbs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 14:39 (four months ago) link
you don't even have to cut the first track... offering's arrangement of it is really good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXXzXRI668M
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 15:13 (four months ago) link
I think Vander realised that trying to make Magma a commercial soul/funk band was Not Happening and took it in a jazzier direction with Offering, since the prog sci-fi album cycle approach was a little out of step with contemporary sensibilities by that point. Another thing that wasn't happening: replacing the best drummer in the world with a fucking LinnDrum.
― derek of the bailey (Matt #2), Thursday, 4 January 2024 15:28 (four months ago) link
Love Merci! "Eliphas Levi" is my favorite Magma song that isn't an album-length epic
― J. Sam, Friday, 5 January 2024 04:33 (four months ago) link
eliphas levi is amazing, my standard take on "merci" is that it's the one where they "sold out" with a concept album about death featuring an 11 minute piece about the 19th century magus who transed baphomet which incorporates mccoy tyner's piano solo from trane's version of "my favorite things"
which definitely puts it on my list of "greatest sellouts ever", alongside albert ayler's _new grass_
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:06 (four months ago) link
also, i went to listen to this song and i get to see stuff i wouldn't run across normally, like this epically bro-y video about baphomet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOgeejjr2VQ
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:09 (four months ago) link
I Will Return is one of my favorite Magma tunes, I love when they just go full showtune
its too bad they didn't release a whole lot between 78 and whenever Offering started, they were going in a real interesting direction. what bothers me about Merci is that it's just sort of orphaned out there
― frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:13 (four months ago) link
I think Vander realised that trying to make Magma a commercial soul/funk band was Not Happening and took it in a jazzier direction with Offering, since the prog sci-fi album cycle approach was a little out of step with contemporary sensibilities by that point. Another thing that wasn't happening: replacing the best drummer in the world with a fucking LinnDrum.― derek of the bailey (Matt #2)
― derek of the bailey (Matt #2)
the thing is that magma never really sounded like "merci", if you listen to live concerts from the early '80s the group naturally evolves into the "offering" sound as vander tried to adjust to the realities of life in a post-blasquiz magma. "merci" is kind of an outlier. as for the linndrum, it sounds great... when prince uses it. christian vander isn't prince.
idk i lost a bunch of my playlists when my old hard drive crashed recently... mostly it was curated grateful dead mixes (though i kept the "tc era dark star" epic mix i spent a month working on in late '21, thankfully... best mix i did that nobody will ever hear) but there's some great unreleased magma stuff. at least for the attahk era stuff you can hear the bourges '79 official release and bobino '81. anyway there's a great early tape of offering from late '83 that shows off the direction they were going at the time.
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 6 January 2024 04:41 (four months ago) link
I think Otis sounds like a certain side of Magma but yea that's what's frustrating about it, it lacks any context
― frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2024 05:00 (four months ago) link
Just went through the track listings of the aforementioned Bourges '79 and Bobino '81, and yes there's basically an unreleased album there:
RetrovisionWho's My LoveYouÜrgon GorgoZaïn
which all, depending on how long they could be stretched out, adds up to around 40 minutes. Plus there's a couple of demo recordings from the era that were on the "Kãrtëhl" album from a year or two ago. Given that they've spent the last couple of decades excavating old pieces that never had a proper recording I wonder if there are any plans to tackle this stuff before Vander retires/dies?
― derek of the bailey (Matt #2), Saturday, 6 January 2024 20:45 (four months ago) link