Jack Kirby's Fourth World

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So Kirby created the New Genesis characters/setting that pops up in the Morrison JLA? Didn't know that.

Didn't that one Kirby-centric Jonathan Lethem comics essay talk about Fourth World?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 25 April 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

the Great Darkness Saga in LSH, as serialised over a year or so

Do you mean a new one? 'Cause the Great Darkness Saga came out like 25 years ago.

― The Yellow Kid, Monday, 25 April 2005 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

And the Fourth World came out over 30 years ago? So?

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 25 April 2005 08:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Mr. Kid may be confusing "serialised over a year or so" and "serialised over a year or so ago".

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 April 2005 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

btw good in its depiction of Apokolips society from ground level: here I specifically mean that Delano gets across the idea of (a rebellious spirit living in) a fascistic religious society - obviously in order to make points about real-life cultures, but with more thought and humanity than I've seen anyone else attempt to with Fourth World settings.

I'd read it again right now to see if it's as good as my memory says if I had any idea where it is...

― kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 25 April 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

There's lots of Star Wars fodder in Kirby's FW stuff too. The whole Orion/Darkseid dynamic, the Source vs. the Force, Mark Moonrider vs. Luke Skywalker, etc.

It was called the Fourth World, because it was supposedly the result of the destruction of the Third World, which had been ruled by the Old Gods (what about the First and Second, who knows?), whose war ended in a Ragnarokian stalemate and they all became the Source Wall.

― Huk-L, Monday, 25 April 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark Evanier, writing about the Fourth World at http://www.povonline.com/Fourth%20World.htm, says that he doesn't know the origin of the name. If ME doesn't know, then I reckon nobody does.

― David A Simpson, Monday, 25 April 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh. Maybe I had merely subconsciously filled in that blank, or maybe it was retroactively stuck in there by someone else.

― Huk-L, Monday, 25 April 2005 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Mr. Kid may be confusing "serialised over a year or so" and "serialised over a year or so ago".

So I did. My mistake.

But now that I think about it, wasn't there some new version of The Great Darkness Saga in LSH like a year ago? I thought I heard about that.

― The Yellow Kid, Monday, 25 April 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, Foundations. It was okay. They brought the current Superboy into the 31st C. And Darkseid fought himself. And Tom Welling sorta made a cameo.
The big double issue (I think #25) was pretty cool, had lots of great art from different people, and the Secret Files was (what else is new) bunk. The rest of the storyline (I only read that arc) sorta punked out until Darkseid fought himself. That was wicked.
I think the whole thing led to the Legion/Titans Special where the Legion's timeline got erased (possible Infinite Crisis tie-in? we'll see), leading to the current incarnation.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

so i was wondering about this stuff, and whether it was collected, then i see a NEW GODS tpb on sale in the used bookstore window! for cheap!

it's fantastic! i adore it!

"I HAVE HEARD THE WORD, AND IT IS BATTLE!"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

b&w tho :(

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

did one of them get done in colour? Jimmy Olsen perhaps?

― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, both of jimmy olsen's trades are in colour.

― i0dine, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:31 (eighteen years ago) link

aw two trades? that's too much effort. Goody Rickles'd be in the first one though? I could do with reading that again...

― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

what's esp. annoying abt those b+w new gods trades is that DC have added a gray tint to all the artwork, so that you're not even getting pure unadulterated kirby/royer thrillpower. DC really shld do a new gods archive h/c - the kamandi vol is absolutely gorgeous

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i think the greyscale stuff looks ok actually

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

b&w tho :(

Yah, argh. Buying up all the Kirby back issues was going to be one of my projects last summer but I temporarily abandoned it. I guess if you don't mind Baxter paper, you could buy the deluxe reissues DC released in the '80s for cheap.

― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 2 February 2006 05:10 (eighteen years ago) link

still... pretty glorious!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 February 2006 06:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i read kirby stuff differently than other comics somehow

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 2 February 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Goody Rickles is (I think) the last two issues of Vol. 1?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Huk is correct.

V1 is better than V2, but only just by a little.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

I am reading the Baxter New Gods reprints right now. CYCLOPEAN!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that the giant-sized ~~man-thingz~~ volume? My friendly neighbourhood comics dealer drew my attention to that, but after "Lost Girls" I don't know if I wanna schlepp another one of those home.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 7 October 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

no, early-mid 1980s comic-book format reprints (on white paper - Baxter vs Mando vs newsprint etc)

― occasional mongrel (kit brash), Saturday, 7 October 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

giant-sized volume = eternals

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 7 October 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

eight years pass...

man, why is Kirby's Fourth World Omnibus Vol. 2 impossible to find? like a mark I picked up Vols 3 and 4 on sale somewhere, but now i need to pick up the first two....

― Nhex, Saturday, 11 July 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link

Do what I did: monitor that shit daily on Amazon until you see a price you can live with paying.

I'm generally tired of these series of collections where a single volume goes out of print and skyrockets out of anything resembling a reasonable price range.

― Something Called Fudge (Old Lunch), Sunday, 12 July 2015 04:21 (eight years ago) link

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