Ted Rall Makes More Enemies

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and considering ted rall's tendencies toward bully litigating anyone smaller/poorer than him with libel and slander suits let's not rally around this guy as some upholder and defender of free speech.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:48 (twenty years ago) link

A little psuedo-related story: my school has its own little sub-onion comedy newspaper. As with 99% of campus organizations, no one really knew about it or took much notice besides a very tiny portion of the campus: it is forever being labelled one of the most anti-community campuses in the nation, it is hell to get students to even acknowledge extra-curricular activities here, besides the main campus newspaper (and even then I think people only pick it up because it is free and everywhere--if the weather is slightly "off" the people at the Spectator don't even bother distributing the damn thing). Anyway, early this year, the comedy paper published a series of cartoons depicting various stereotypes, and the last one was a depiction of a white supremecist. Someone involved in another campus group saw it, didn't seem to get that the cartoon was lampooning the Aryan Nation and not black people, and the shit hit the frigging fan. This happened months ago and people on campus are still bitching about it, and the paper in question was disallowed from holding their annual year-end party as punishment for pissing off the other club.

The end result: I personally know four people (and considering that the amount of people on campus who I have even the barest of conversations with comes to about 12 people that's a pretty big percentage) who now work for the comedy paper, and a lot of people who actively search out the paper when it is published (including myself) cos NONE OF US WERE AWARE THE FUCKING THING EXISTED BEFORE PEOPLE THREW A BIG BITCH FIT TO GET THE THING PULLED.

Similarly, I haven't read a Ted Rall cartoon in years prior to just now.

Moral of the story: if you don't like something, just fucking ignore it or create a likewise response, don't throw a "pull this trash, alert the media" bitch fit.

Other moral not having to do with what I said: HI TED RALL AND MICHAEL MOORE ET ALL YOU AREN'T FUNNY AND ENTERING ANY FORM OF DEBATE BY BLUDGEONING PEOPLE OVER THE FUCKING HEAD ISN'T GOING TO WIN YOU ANY FANS BESIDES PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIE ON YOUR SIDE OF THE POLITICAL LINES AND IF THOSE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE YOU WANT TO REACH, WHY BOTHER IN THE FIRST PLACE, DUMBASS? (I feel that needs to be in large letters cos apparently the idea of making jokes funny and trying to use political debate to win people over is beyond everyone lately)

Allyzay, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:48 (twenty years ago) link

plus, and this is most important: THE DUDE'S AN AWFUL CARTOONIST - he could be talking about the hijinx of a one-eyed guinea and his crossdressing newt roomie and it wouldn't matter cuz dude can't 1) DRAW or 2) WRITE - both of which are kinda u + k to be a cartoonist.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:50 (twenty years ago) link

haha otm x 10000000000

Allyzay, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

meanwhile i look forward to getting the fwded e-mails saying 'look what the democrats are saying about pat tillman!' a la that 'he got what was coming to him' UMass column.

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:52 (twenty years ago) link

one-eyed guinea and his crossdressing newt roomie

Oh, if only Momus were Italian and Gingrich were his roommate, what a strip this would be.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

haha - that was supposed to be one-eyed guinea pig - rall doesn't have the balls to do an 'ethnic' comic (katzenjammer kids 4ever!!!).

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

plus, and this is most important: THE DUDE'S AN AWFUL CARTOONIST

I dunno, no better or worse than whoever it was that did Fido Dido. (If he assumes he's any BETTER than Fido Dido then I worry.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

when did tillman sign up? immmediately after 9/11?

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link

rall doesn't have the balls to do an 'ethnic' comic

yeah I'd question whether doing an 'ethnic' comic is in-and-of-itself an indication of balls

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

that dude who does snuffy smith has balls out the yinyang

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

having the 'balls' to do something also doesn't indicate the act itself is worth doing (eg. it would take 'balls' dryhump a porcupine).

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

balls out the yinyang

blount: next level

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:12 (twenty years ago) link

rall's only problems are that he's a terrible cartoonist, has a crap sense of humor, and values his ego over actual thinking.

jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 00:36 (twenty years ago) link

But don't you fucking talk down to me. etc...

Broheems,

Point taken, and with due humility. Please accept my apologies.

1. I too find this comic offensive.
2. What does it matter who I am? Really? Snob!


g--ff

Don't talk down to to me about censorship

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=censorship

Prior restraint is not the only danger of censorship. Another equal danger is the tendancy to restrict new and unpopular thoughts already expressed- which may be true and therfore useful. Free speech doesn't derive its value from only hearing what you want to hear. Also, don't talk down to me.
3. Don't censor my right to say 'classist' ideas. Whingeing about a person's status legally, economically, racially, etc... doesn't absolve someone serious from making an argument germane to the issue at hand, whatever the person's complaint may be. The U.S. is a democratic republic, not a democracy. Thank God or whatever - I'm an atheist. We have (and I would be willing to kill and die for) such undemocratic institutions as the Bill of Rights and various other laws which prevent 'we, the people' from voting for, in the heat of passion, things which have appealed to 'the People' like legal racism, lynching, Hitler, Napoleon III, treating sexual orientaion as a reason for socially exceptable ridicule... Need I continue?

FYI, Rall mostly makes me cringe. I'm a very moderate person generally and often find he's a terrible cartoonist, has a crap sense of humor, and values his ego over actual thinking.

Yo Michael White, fuck off and die.

This is, I believe, beneath you. Don't fall back on snobby nativist (i.e. I was here first!) bullshit when simple decent rhetoric will do. Also, I regret that, due to other engagements, dear sir, I am unable to oblige you.

(I love it when some joker gets all sanctimonious and busts out the ironic "clever" and so forth, and does the dumbass "your"/"you're" thing [or one of its variants] in a post. always classic, that.)

I apologize to everyone here that in the heat of the moment I made that most elementary of mistakes and substituted 'your' for 'you're'. To quote Broheems, Sometimes I write long, considered posts, and sometimes I write my first reactions,
I regret that, due to other engagements, dear sir, I shall be unable to oblige you.

Being naturally indolent I shall simply repeat, "Smug and self-righteous are a truly noxious combination." Now I will go laugh at myself for giving a shit.

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:28 (twenty years ago) link

No, it's all good MW. I lost my temper. Obviously. I mean, I don't apologize for my first post dimissing Rall in a crude manner. Sometimes it just feels good to write a short, sharp post like that. It's not my normal posting style. But yeah, I don't know you at all, had not to my knowledge interacted with you on the boards before, and you came at me all Frasier Crane-like. This is all I meant by "who are you." As in, why is this fellow I have not previously interacted with, suddenly condescending to me over some trifling post of mine? It just seemed weird. So yeah, I flew off the handle a bit; I am sorry for that. But don't assume you know everything about a poster on the basis of some tossed-off angry post (specifically re: "get acquainted with [Rall] first", etc)

I had gotten so good about just walking away from the computer when angry, too. Ah well, this cartoon really cheesed me off. Darn it, I let the terrorists win.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

oh don't go pulling out the dictionary, that's playground man

g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 04:02 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Broheems, I think that "get acquainted" line was just trying to make a pun on "fucking" Ted Rall.

Plus I think you should get acquainted with the guy before you go off and fuck him.

The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 06:51 (twenty years ago) link

did anyone see that article ted rall wrote for the village voice about art spiegelman? it was easily the most appalling, hypocritical, one-sided piece of shit hatchet job i've ever read. what a fucking jerk that guy is.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 07:26 (twenty years ago) link

I can't decide what is more ghoulish: Ted Rall's stupid cartoon or ESPN broadcasting Pat Tillman's memorial service live.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:58 (twenty years ago) link

They're both pretty ghoulish, it's a tough call.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link

then again, I get to see tourists taking pictures of a big fucking hole in the ground every day on my walk to work, so I guess ghoulish is de rigeur for this country.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

I had no idea that al Qaeda was a threat to my first amendment rights.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

um, you getting killed might be a threat to you exercising your first amendment rights.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

cinniblount very otm in re: rall's litigious nature, hypocritical implications thereof

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

About Ted Rall
Ted Rall writes for a generation unjustly maligned as a pack of lazy slackers. He voices Generation X's frustration and resentment at the excesses of the baby boomers who've left a spent America in their mammoth wake. Ted's irreverent attitude and deft use of satire combine to make his work as fun to read as it is thought-provoking. And Ted's ability to connect with current culture gives his writing an of-the-moment perspective that is edgy and sharp.

haha, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

Edgy like my Grandma -- and he sure as hell doesn't speak for my generation -- then again, looking around, maybe he does -- but's that's too sad to contemplate.

jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago) link

Jack Higgins somehow managed to outshit Rall (via atrios):
http://images.suntimes.com/images3/higgins/higgins35006.gif

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 6 May 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

that is awesome.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 May 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

I love people like this because they strain for profundity the same way most strain for bowel movements.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 May 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link

that is sooooooooooo bad.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

That cartoon sums up my entire argument from ground zero like nothing else.

Not that I'm going to vote for dubya.

TOMBOT, Friday, 7 May 2004 03:13 (twenty years ago) link

I completely agree that "hero" is a woefully overused term, but Rall goes out of his way sometimes to be a dick. T

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:17 (twenty years ago) link

i don't quite get your argument, tom

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:18 (twenty years ago) link

it's not really an argument or a point of contention really that getting killed is worse than getting tortured.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:19 (twenty years ago) link

and...?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:20 (twenty years ago) link

exactly. kind of a pointless cartoon.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

It's just Rall pushing a button he knows will generate outrage. It has less to do with any valid points and more to do with simply wanting to upset people è

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:22 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not talking about the Rall cartoon.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:23 (twenty years ago) link

well, I was 

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:24 (twenty years ago) link

you're a couple days late.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:24 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with Stence re: the Higgins cartoon. Completely pointless. What's the message? Better them than us?Pe

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:25 (twenty years ago) link

"as long as america is under attack, we should be sexually humiliating people"

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago) link

And we wonder why our relationships are all fucked up.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:27 (twenty years ago) link

"with cigarette smoking butchy women"

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:27 (twenty years ago) link

The identity of that G.I ("cigarette smoking butchy woman") has been revealed. She's from West Virginia. Look for her on the tabs tomorrow. Gotta feel bad for her family

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:32 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with Stence re: the Higgins cartoon. Completely pointless. What's the message? Better them than us?

no, it's a much more evil message than that. it's a complete lie. the message is clearly meant to be read as, "THEY deserve it because THEY flew those planes into our buildings." which of course they didn't actually do. that higgins cartoon is pretty much the entire lie of the iraq war laid bare.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago) link

Cuz OTM!

I'm also bothered by the image of the kids in the Higgins cartoon. It's attempts to assert poignance and innocence, but stop me if I'm wrong -- don't Iraqis have children too?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:58 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't that a Sting song?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 May 2004 04:00 (twenty years ago) link

PLEASE don't give sting any more ideas.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 7 May 2004 04:04 (twenty years ago) link

it's really not. it's almost like he takes special care to not give a shit about his backgrounds and layout.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 July 2016 06:22 (seven years ago) link


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