"Pauline Kael said it was 'meditative', but I fell asleep."

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I guess Mizoguchi's Story of the Last Chrysanthemums fits hear as well, definitely search it.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

(As well as anything by him, though most of his films aren't that slow for Japanese cinema.)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Destroy:
*Distant (Uzak).

I wasn't completely on the film's wavelength, but Distant did have what I've been calling my favorite single shot of any movie I saw last year: that abandoned ship lying on its side in the harbor, rolling back and forth with the waves as snow clings to its masts.

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Fata Morgana

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I loves me some Ackerman, and I really need to see Jeanne Dielman. Is it something I should wait and see on the big screen, should I be so lucky?

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i did, and i gotta be honest, it's probably the only way i made it through

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

*The Beautiful Troublemaker (La Belle noiseuse). Four hours about the making of one painting. Very slow, but brilliant.

decent... but not as great as "The Quince Tree Sun" ( which has similar subject matter but without the portentiousness")

i agree with the rest of Tuomas's and would like to see L"humanite again.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 May 2005 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link

rogue " marks

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 May 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Would the latter half of Blow Up count at all? It isnt slow, really, but the end is quite dialogue-free and contemplative and artsy. I kinda liked that. I like 2001's long slow pacing, too.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Would anyone like to talk a bit more about Angelopoulos?

Masked Gazza, Friday, 20 May 2005 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Even during the dialogue-free sequences towards the end of Blow-Up, though, there is a lot of activity in the sound design (leaves!) and camera movement.

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't imagine pauline kael calling anything "meditative" and meaning it as a compliment!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"Celine and Julie Go Boating" is on two VHS tapes. The first is about 140 minutes, the 2nd is only an hour. You could probably just watch the 2nd tape and you'd be fine.

This thread also needs some Cassavetes action. "Shadows" and "Faces" are both quite slow.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Shadows is, like, seven minutes long.

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: L'Avventura and Two-Lane Blacktop seconded. Destroy: Blow-Up.
Blow-Up and Distant are marvels of cinematic instinct by their makers.

See Jeanne Dielman anyway you can eventually, but a screening would add much.

L'humanite had some interesting stuff before turning into quite the ridiculous thing, but it was his follow-up (Twentynine Palms) where Bruno Dumont showed himself to be a real fraud.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

HHH's 'city of sadness' i had to check out of, but i was watching on tv, and it's all in long-shot, so maybe it works better on the big screen, but probably not, because it is all long static takes of people talking.

btw yeah -- kael was someone who never dug 'meditative' film. she liked brian depalma!

N_RQ, Friday, 20 May 2005 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"L'Humanité. One of the most difficult "great films" I've seen, but in the end rewarding"

I thought this film was hilarious but I'm not sure if I was meant to. No-one else in the cinema did anyway.

I thought La Belle noiseuse had too much plot and activity. I expected it to be much more 'just' painting.

Search: La Mamon et la Putain

R@w P@trick, Friday, 20 May 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Jeanne Dielman is probably better served on the big screen.

Something is now compelling me to say
Search: Marguerite Duras' India Song and The Truck

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

My l'Humanite audience laughed at the climax; I felt more like blowing a raspberry.

>kael was someone who never dug 'meditative' film

NEVER is rather absolute. I'm pretty sure Kael liked some Antonioni, and if they qualify as 'meditative,' Renoir, Rossellini, etc.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

jeanne dielman is totally great - watched it in a film class two years ago, and have been trying to find it for rent ever since.

peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

mirror owns this thread for me (as in, it bored me to tears) (and i really loved/stayed awake for all of andrei rublev)

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 21 May 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

(jury's still out on solaris)

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 21 May 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't Jeanne Dielman not available on DVD or VHS at all legitimately?

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Saturday, 21 May 2005 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Jeanne Dielman four or five years ago in a tiny theater. It was about 97 degrees Fahrenheit that day and the theater had the air conditioning CRANKED so that it was seriously about 50 degrees in there. There was also a BAT loose in the theater that occasionally flitted to and fro in front of the screen and over the audiences' heads. No one fell asleep. In any case Dielman fucking rules. (NB: Haynes' Safe is a sort of homage.) I tried to find it on VHS after seeing it and ended up on the phone pleading with a distributor in NY to no avail. ...Also search Akerman's Je Tu Il Elle, Saute Ma Ville, and J'ai Faim, J'ai Froid.

box of socks, Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

New Yorker must be making a killing on the NY rep screenings of the film, since they've basically kept it ferociously "impossible" to see otherwise.

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

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Oh, and P.S.: Jeanne Dielman showed up for $13.99 on eBay as a (presumably bootlegged) Region 0 DVD with "B minus" picture quality sometime last fall, and like a fool I did not buy it then. But it's OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.

box of socks, Saturday, 21 May 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The "B-" picture quality is probably carted over from a shitty "C-" (I'm being generous) VHS dub courtesy http://www.5minutestolive.com/

Subtitles are impossible to read at least half the time. (Luckily, dialogue accounts for probably a collective 15 minutes of the three-hour-plus film.)

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 21 May 2005 04:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the link. Do I correctly assume that you own, or anyway have seen, one of the VHS or DVD dubs of Jeanne Dielman from that site? If so, would you consider the image quality at least adequate to drop $20 on the thing, or no? I am tempted.

box of socks, Saturday, 21 May 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

"I saw Jeanne Dielman four or five years ago in a tiny theater. It was about 97 degrees Fahrenheit that day and the theater had the air conditioning CRANKED so that it was seriously about 50 degrees in there. There was also a BAT loose in the theater that occasionally flitted to and fro in front of the screen and over the audiences' heads. No one fell asleep."

This is so great.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 21 May 2005 04:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes. I will always remember Red Eye Collaboration Cinema in my prayers for bringing me the Arctic Bat-O-Vision presentation of Chantal Akerman's masterpiece. It was the best film-going experience of my life, and I do not exclude from that assessment the time I saw Syberberg's Our Hitler in its entirety at the Art Institute of Chicago when I was 15 and very very high.

box of socks, Saturday, 21 May 2005 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(Because, surprise, I cannot remember one single thing about Our Hitler.) (It was 25 years ago anyway.) (I'll shut up now.)

box of socks, Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:06 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008976Y.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Do I correctly assume that you own, or anyway have seen, one of the VHS or DVD dubs of Jeanne Dielman from that site?

Yes. (Have seen, that is.)

If so, would you consider the image quality at least adequate to drop $20 on the thing, or no?

No. It will impugn your memory of that fantastic-sounding viewing experience.

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks again. I will save my $20, wait (forever, probably) for official release, and keep my memory untarnished.

...All right, ONE more thing: has anyone ever seen Last Year at Marienbad? It's reportedly incredibly slow, and weirdly skewed w/r/t character and narrative, but also totally worthwhile.

box of socks, Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i have seen it and i owned it for a while, but i decided to sell it for 90 bucks.

its worthwhile, but not nearly my favorite of resnais'. hiroshima mon amour is so much better in my opinion.

t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

The first Ackerman I saw was "Window Shopping"/"The 80s", which were both pretty great, although only one of them was "meditative". (Window Shopping is a musical [unless I'm confused] and The 80s breaks it down into small actions and elements which it repeats in assorted combinations.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 21 May 2005 06:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"le maman et la putain" is astonishing!

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 May 2005 06:27 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Something is now compelling me to say
Search: Marguerite Duras' India Song and The Truck

Ha, Ken, I saw these the last two Tuesdays at the French Institute -- last night with John Waters discussing The Truck with Kent Jones of Film Comment! Hadn't seen any of hers (unless Hiroshima Mon Amour counts) before, and it'll be awhile before I try anymore. India Song really seems to stop time, but when Michel Lonsdale starts his 10-minute offscreen bellowing wail, omigod.
...Jeanne Dielman is paced like Run Lola Run by comparison.

Waters was funny ("They talk about the characters falling asleep! Very brave") and Jones suggested a US remake with Vin Diesel and Kathy Bates. And it was mentioned that Kael gave The Truck one of its few good NY reviews in '77.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Did I say something?

Oh, I see.

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

yes i've always wanted to see the truck thanks to that review!

and also to test my own boredomometer -- which is capricious of course (AND THAT'S HOW I LIKE IT)

ie TS: bein aged and havin less TIME for this kind of thing vs. bein aged and apprecitatin a good long sit down and doze

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, mark. For a long time it was the second, but am now so starved by bigscreen entertainment that I actually stay awake if by some miracle I manage to get to the theater.

Actually-although I cleverly refrained from saying so in my first post- I love Le Camion. India Song I found a little tough-going, but, as with the corresponding moments in Fassbinder movies, I laughed along with the cruel godlike filmmaker at Lonsdale's embarrassing outburst.

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Anything by:

Kiarostami
Koreeda

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

mabaroshi really IS my favourite film! (but don't tell tuomas)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

search: time out, stalker

destroy: ulysses' gaze (which i couldn't get more than an hour into, though it did have some wonderful shots)

gear (gear), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Did anyone mention *The Creation Of The Humanoids* yet? I watched this stoned years ago and it lasted at least 3 days. bad actors standing around talking robot philosophy FOREVER. unbelievable. A sci-fi trance film that isn't russian! also andy warhol's fave movie and where he stole everything from. you can get it for 5 bucks on dvd.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

damn Ken, I ached along with Lonsdale's embarrassing outburst.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Search Last Days and Gerry.

inert false cat (sleep), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

search: Nobody Knows.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Love of cinema is colder than death, Morbius. And don't forget Lonsdale's cheap thrills in one of the versions of Une Sale Histoire.

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Paul Schrader ponders slow cinema:

Everyone is different, but they all circle around the same techniques and the same concept of time, of duration. What happens when you don’t cut? When you just wait, and the viewer becomes aware that his experience of watching is part of the experience of the film? Your self-awareness of that time, the endurance of that time, becomes part of the experience. Normally films never work like that because they’re trying to convince you of the opposite.

There are still bits of transcendental style. It was a precursor to slow cinema, but it’s not really that slow. A terrific film like Silent Light is closer to transcendental style than slow cinema, but they lump it in with slow cinema now. I just finished directing a film [First Reformed] that I’m trying to do as a quiet film. The film that I last did [Dog Eat Dog] was extremely aggressive and profane. The motto was: Let’s never be boring. Now I’m editing and the mantra is: How can we use boredom to the best effect?

Malick is part of that universe. But you can see Malick running out of gas as his car goes down the road. I don’t think this kind of slow cinema is a cinema with a great future. The more extreme it becomes, the closer it gets to being a dead-end.

https://nowtoronto.com/movies/features/paul-schrader-slow-cinema-is-dying-a-slow-death/

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:19 (seven years ago) link


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