Why are Pulp so unpopular now?

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They ARE tremendous videos, whirling dervishes of colour and breathlessnessness. Yum-yummo.

alexfack (alexfack), Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:53 (12 years ago) Permalink

what about the "Disco 2000" video? especially when you just see their feet dancing on the lit up floor. and all the mid 90s Gucci. and the band member cut-outs. come on!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 November 2002 22:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

Spencer is correct, this is the best of all. I don't recall if they got it together at the end or not...

alexfack (alexfack), Thursday, 21 November 2002 22:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

the main characters become cutouts in bed and then see Jarvis on the TV and say something along the lines of "not him again".

this video also features the main guy looking in the mirror and asking something like "who's the ace-est one of all".

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 November 2002 22:20 (12 years ago) Permalink

Butbutbut Jarvis directed them all himself!

Oh blimey, obv. my opinion would be totally diff if I knew that factoid prior. Proof that people should stick to what they know best, but then again most indie videos are shit. Tho I did forget about Disco 2000 because I used to dislike the song quite a lot, that is a pretty funny video.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 21 November 2002 22:30 (12 years ago) Permalink

How can anyone dislike Disco 2000? I actually know several people who claim to do so, but it BAFFLES, it's so yearny and pounding and DISCO. The best Pulp songs are the best songs by anyone ever.

alexfack (alexfack), Thursday, 21 November 2002 22:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

when the '99-'00, changeover happened I put on Prince "1999" and then followed up with "Disco 2000" for a large party of friends in CA and, while none of them knew it, due to it's being so yearny and pounding and DISCO people were on the verge of tears. it rulez.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 November 2002 22:49 (12 years ago) Permalink

Because I didn't like the song. It was boring. I like it better now.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 21 November 2002 23:17 (12 years ago) Permalink

Bless yr little cotton socks.

alexfack (alexfack), Thursday, 21 November 2002 23:33 (12 years ago) Permalink

I put on Prince "1999" and then followed up with "Disco 2000"

I admit I wanted to do this as well. I just limited myself with the second part of the equation.

Oh blimey, obv. my opinion would be totally diff if I knew that factoid prior.

Hahah...oh wait.

Actually never seen the "Disco 2000" video since it's not on Sorted for Es and Vids.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 November 2002 00:10 (12 years ago) Permalink

How pathetic is this: I have 12 hours of Pulp videos, bought on ebay from someone in Canada even sadder than myself.

incl. "Disco 2000" obv.
(it's the video that most closely follows their "Different Class" style guide)

Maybe I'll bring a VCR to the LA/OC FAP if it ever happens!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 22 November 2002 00:45 (12 years ago) Permalink

All the amazing technicolour hyper-real peak-period Pulp videos were directed by Pedro Romhanyi, who also did "Parklife", "A Design For Life", "The Beautiful Ones" and (more recently) the Super Furries' "Rings Around The World". Thanx Pedro, you dressed me for years...

Of Pulp's own vids, Jarvis only directed the original "Babies" and the "Do You Remember The First Time" doco as I recall. He also did Tindersticks' "City Sickness" and, I think, Aphex's "Donkey Rhubarb"!

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 22 November 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

disco 2000=greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttt!

is the video filmed in sheffield city hall? (or was that misshapes?)

gareth (gareth), Friday, 22 November 2002 01:42 (12 years ago) Permalink

How pathetic is this: I have 12 hours of Pulp videos

!!!!

We need to talk tape trade. Or SOMETHING.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 November 2002 02:20 (12 years ago) Permalink

ha ha! if you have access to dubbing facilities (at UCI?) you can borrow the lot.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 22 November 2002 02:43 (12 years ago) Permalink

Good, good...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 November 2002 02:53 (12 years ago) Permalink

Of Pulp's own vids, Jarvis only directed the original "Babies" and the "Do You Remember The First Time" doco
as I recall. He also did Tindersticks' "City Sickness" and, I think, Aphex's "Donkey Rhubarb"!

Donkey Rhubarb? You're kidding me.. he didn't really do that, did he? That's like the best video ever. Jarvis also did that Polyphonic Spree video. The band, or members thereof, directed all their earlier videos, and Jarvis co-directed Razzmatazz, Lipgloss and Bad Cover Version.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 22 November 2002 03:27 (12 years ago) Permalink

I love the Misshapes video, it's truly grebt.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 22 November 2002 03:36 (12 years ago) Permalink

do they suck

ron (ron), Friday, 22 November 2002 03:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

Donkey Rhubarb? You're kidding me.. he didn't really do that, did he? That's like the best video ever.

Apologies. I think he actually did Aphex's "On" - the stop-motion one on the beach.

NB the "Disco 2000" Video was filmed at Eve's Club on London's trendy Regent St - the cool multi-coloured dancefloor's still there I believe.

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 22 November 2002 03:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

Yes, he did do "On". I remember that. I hate that video.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 22 November 2002 04:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

yea, bad video. he also did nightmares on wax ~ aftermath, apparently

gareth (gareth), Friday, 22 November 2002 08:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

Jarvis does actually have a real film degree, an MA I think.

Years and years ago I met him for a coffee and he described to me these amazing short films he'd made, one all about finding a secret something in Mile End.

I still love Pulp (I consider them more contemporary with St Etienne rather than Oasis/Blur etc. due to going to see every show in London they did between '91 and '90-something) and am going to Auto, their perverse Sonar in Sheffield in winter-type festival.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 22 November 2002 09:46 (12 years ago) Permalink

Despite the fact that most of the fans own most of the stuff already, I still think it's a shame that they might not make the top 75. Pulp along with Blur, at least had the integrity to move on from producing chirpy hits, whilst Oasis consistently recycle their tunes, and continue to sell to morons.
We Love Life charted lowly as well, which is a shame. But it is the tunes that count, and not the sales. Console yourselves people with the thought that we are the intelligent minority, for sticking with the band.

P.S Is the new Beck album worth buying?

john-denver, Friday, 22 November 2002 11:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

Pulp along with Blur, at least had the integrity to move on from producing chirpy hits

I doubt Blur stopped producing chirpy hits due to their integrity.

As for Pulp...I love all of their albums, I'm an unabashed fan, yet I probably wouldn't buy the hits compilation. In the age of file sharing, one has to be stupid rather than cynical to expect the die-hard fans to re-purchase all the stuff they already have just for a chance to hear one new song.

I always thought of Pulp's success as flukey and odd, so I don't find their lack of success now all that surprising.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 22 November 2002 11:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

yes, they managed to connect briefly, and perhaps accidentally, with "common people" and "sorted" but fundamentally didn't change from the days of "my legendary girlfriend," meaning that they probably ended up with the same fanbase with which they started.

we (laura & i) loved them anyway, had done since the days of "my lighthouse" back in '83 or whenever it was. the gigs at drury lane (just before they became massive) and shep bush empire (when they were at their peak) were wonderful nights.

we had tickets to see them at brixton academy last october :-( couldn't face going there on my own

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 November 2002 11:53 (12 years ago) Permalink

I think the people who might buy a greatest hits cd might be more likely to buy it on a Saturday, which could explain the poor midweek showings. If not, I'm baffled - I woulda thought a Pulp greatest hits would be a Beautiful-South-type chart monsta (because Pulp are the kind of group for whom a greatest hits is probably their best showcase, and perfect for people who were unwilling/put off from investing wholeheartedly in the ethos of the band - I think Queen are another good example of this).

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 22 November 2002 12:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

I think not having a bonus CD has hit sales hard. I'd guess that carry on up the charts wouldn't have been as much as a success (2 million+ copies) without the initial sales push from the bonus cd. The casual buyer is looking to buy something for Christmas and looks at the choice between Pulp or the U2 or Foo Fighters Cd with the bonus CD/DVD and they'll go for quantity over quality.

An extra CD of bonus remixes or whatever may also sway the diehard fan who wouldn't purcahse it for the one new song.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 22 November 2002 12:29 (12 years ago) Permalink

I think those kind of bands Jerry are the ones with lots of medium-size hits that hang around the chart and get continued airplay, so when the GH comes out they can pull a "you know more of these than you think" Crowded House trick. Not many Pulp hits have that kind of recognition.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 November 2002 12:31 (12 years ago) Permalink

The only Pulp hits that yr 'casual buyer' is probably going to know and want are the Different Class ones, and since Different Class sold well over a million in the UK, it's a pretty safe bet that aforementioned casual buyers already have this.

Hits has tremendous sleevenotes, though. And I like the cover very much, even if others don't. And not buying it would have left a gaping hole in my CD collection that I was all-too-conscious of. These are my excuses, if I need any.

alexfack (alexfack), Saturday, 23 November 2002 14:43 (12 years ago) Permalink

Number 71! Well, that's something...

alexfack (alexfack), Sunday, 24 November 2002 19:29 (12 years ago) Permalink

They're un-popular because brit-pop sucked the first time around, but now they're just taking the piss.

Callum (Callum), Sunday, 24 November 2002 20:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

didn't jarvis also direct the video for the rave version of 'sailing'?

(if you've not had the pleasure, it goes - and you'll be shocked by this - "we are raving, we are raving" etc.)

it was actually less good than this suggests.

adam b (adam b), Sunday, 24 November 2002 21:20 (12 years ago) Permalink

I'm 99% certain Jarvis did "Donkey Rhubarb". Shame Pulp's GH is doing so badly, as it's really very sensibly chosen. The Manics' one was atrociously chosen.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 25 November 2002 11:44 (12 years ago) Permalink

Because they're not funny anymore! Apart from "Bad Cover Version".

B.Rad (Brad), Monday, 25 November 2002 12:13 (12 years ago) Permalink

But they were never only funny. They were also sad.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 November 2002 17:22 (12 years ago) Permalink

[boobie picture]

kicken, Monday, 25 November 2002 17:50 (12 years ago) Permalink

'acrylic afternoons' - sexiest uk pop record ever.

'on a pink quilted eiderdown i'm gonna...(deep breath)
pull y' knickers down...net curtains blowing slightly in the breeze,
lemonade light filters through the trees and it's so soft
and it's warm just another cup of tea please...'

piscesboy, Monday, 25 November 2002 19:30 (12 years ago) Permalink

Shame Pulp's GH is doing so badly, as it's really very sensibly chosen. The Manics' one was atrociously chosen.

What's on the Pulp one then? Mind you I pretty much agree with you about the Manics' one, I mean fucking hell I now own not one but two CDs that include the song "Tsunami". I have come to quite enjoy If You Tolerate This... though.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:33 (12 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Revive!

Because from within my grime, crunk, and general beatheadfuckery haze, I suddenly felt the urge to listen to "59 Lyndhurst Grove" and wow, this band could be really good sometimes, couldn't they? His N Hers sticks out as particularly great, but I particularly like all of the second half of Intro - where else can I find the good, weird stuff? I used to have that album with the green cover that preceded Intro, can't remember the title...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sorry to get all Calum on yous.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Separations, that's it.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Your rediscovered love is wondrous.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

I guess so!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

Those boobs that kicken posted are the quintessential "indie tits".

X RATED TYRONE, Tuesday, 2 March 2004 04:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

My question is, how did Pulp become popular in the U.S. at all? I mean, not that they're mega-popular, but I know SO many people who don't have incredibly large or diverse record collections but own Different Class. The same people maybe like Blur, too, but they at least made some inroads here -- I can't recall ever hearing "Common People" on the radio.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

Maybe they weren't so much on the radio, but "Mile End" was on the Trainspotting soundtrack, which could've lead a lot of people to Different Class.

E. (ebb), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 07:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oddly enough, at the time of Different Class's release, I heard "Underwear" more than any other Pulp track on U.S. Radio.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 07:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

not to get all nick hornby on you, but they were the one act ALL of my anglophile friends loved

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 13:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

A certain somebody writing about a past P&J (I haven't really found the proper place and thread to post this on, so here it goes):

Anyhow, does Beck at #1 and Pulp at #10 really represent, any longer, a true consensus of American rock critics? I doubt it...The result is a poll that's entirely predictable: I told Schumacher-Rasmussen weeks ago that Beck would win; I would not have predicted that Pulp would muster enough support to make the Top Ten but that's because it's hard to imagine the degree to which weenie critics remain devoted to their Anglophilia, no matter how many bullets Britpop shoots into its own brain.

This is at http://www.addict.com/html/lofi/Columns/American_Grandstand/303/index.html -- go to archive.org for the full text.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 13:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

Just done on JRoss show.

Mark G, Saturday, 2 February 2013 22:52 (1 year ago) Permalink


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