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how about adding 'purif' to every course description in the community college catalog

i vote Matt Ross plays Miscavage in a biopic, he's already gotten pigeonholed into the cult-leader role, why not go for one he kinda looks like

http://i.imgur.com/OS3TAU8.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/4ZIMDOi.jpg

dimpled dynamos

lol he looks kinda like Sean Hayes in that pic

God, the stuff with Quincy and the rest of his kids with Mary Sue.

Hu664rd finished writing his thousand-page opus, Battlefield Earth, in 1980. (Mitt Romney would name it as his favorite novel.)

Between that and the Mormon church buying and shelving another story of his, there's this weird frenemy thing going on between the two religions.

shouldn't we assume that the church has google alerts set up on any and all creative misspellings of their key words? we could just de-index this thread if we think it's a risk

anyway, i'd need to look it up again, but the long, babbling, incoherent circuitous footnote of miscavige defining what a "mission" is in a deposition is about as pure an expression of evil i've seen in print

I don't think anyone would think to use 6s to replace lower-case b's, so I think we're safe!

Just read the Miscavige interview with Ted Koppel -- is that what you're referring to? It's kind of amazing.

that interview is amazing but goole's referring to a footnote in Going Clear

yeah

Something to look forward to then! <_<

so we're googleproofing Hu664rd but not M1sc@v1ge? after reading Going Clear, the latter seems more frightening

certainly less fun

thread has been deindexed for a while now.

odious as he was Hubbard had this weird, unpredictable sense of mischief and hedonism about him; he took pleasure in things. He was like a precocious child playing with toys that were, unfortunately, real people. Miscavige just seems like a bully with short-man syndrome.

realnaming not cool

― duff paddy (darraghmac), Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:01 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

We could retroactively change all references to him to Miscarriage?

A little insensitive, no? otoh, we could do Ms. Cabbage.

I like it!

Also assigning myself to RPF for a beingness audit for my insensitive remarks.

odious as he was Hubbard had this weird, unpredictable sense of mischief and hedonism about him; he took pleasure in things. He was like a precocious child playing with toys that were, unfortunately, real people. Miscavige just seems like a bully with short-man syndrome.

shakey otm

We're never going to know what really happened to Shelly Ms. Cabbage, are we?

imo the guy really sounds like a psychopath

trying to say his name i always end up sounding like 'the impressive clergyman' from the princess bride

haha David Mawwiage

according to t0ny 0rt3g@'s site, shel-cabbage is supposedly at a secretive compound near big bear.

This place?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2489172/Exclusive-pictures-secret-Californian-Scientology-base-Shelly-Miscavage-lives.html

that's the place, but i hadn't seen those photos so thanks for the link. i got hooked on ortega's site after reading 'going clear,' and i've since read about so many levels of crazy not even mentioned in the book. i also have a friend who's an ex-scientologist who has told me all kinds of insane stuff about the process of being audited. i'm fascinated by it.

Just finished the book, where is the Cabbage's evil download on missions? There'slike hundred pages of end notes and sources.

Better yet, here's the transcript of the deposition:
http://www.davidmiscavige.wikiscientology.org/text/Deposition_of_David_Miscavige,_the_Witness,_July_19,_1990_-_Part_1

MR. HERTZBERG: I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE CUSTODY OF THE TAPE, WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION WITH RESPECT TO CUSTODY OF THE TAPE?

Q. MR. MISCAVIGE, DO YOU HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION? A. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT QUESTION MEANS.

the passage in question:

THE WITNESS: WHAT IS A MISSION? OKAY. WELL, YOU HAVE A SITUATION AND A SITUATION IS DEFINED AS A DEPARTURE, MAJOR DEPARTURE FROM THE IDEAL SCENE, AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT THERE'S SOME Y. Y IS DEFINED AS AN EXPLANATION THAT OPENS A DOOR TO A HANDLING, AND

IF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY PULLED THE STRINGS ON THE SITUATION, ALL THE WAY DOWN, YOU WILL NOW HAVE A Y, WHICH MEANS THAT THAT SITUATION CAN BE RESOLVED.

A MISSION WOULD TAKE A SITUATION, KNOWING WHAT THE Y IS, AND THEREFORE, KNOWING WHAT EXACT HANDLING STEPS ARE THUS POSSIBLE AS A RESULT OF THE DOOR BEING OPENED BECAUSE THE Y WAS FOUND BY EVALUATION, AND THEY WOULD BE ON -- THEY WOULD OPERATE ON WHAT IS KNOWN AS A SET OF MISSION ORDERS, AND THE SET OF MISSION ORDERS IS AN EXACT SERIES OF STEPS, SOMETIMES CONSECUTIVE, SOMETIMES NOT, SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE DONE CONCURRENTLY WITHIN EACH OTHER. THEY ARE NUMBERED IN EACH STEP.

THEY LIST OUT THE PRECISE ACTIONS THAT THESE PERSONS WOULD DO, KNOWING, OF COURSE, THAT ONCE THEY ARE PERFORMING THEM, THEY ARE TO BE SENSIBLE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IF THEY COME UPON ANY OTHER INFORMATION, AND THEY NEED TO RESOLVE SUCH MATTERS TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR MISSION PURPOSE. THESE MISSION ORDERS HAVE AN EXACT PURPOSE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED, EXACT MAJOR TARGETS, EXACT PRIMARY TARGETS EXACT VITAL TARGETS, EXACT OPERATING TARGETS; THEY HAVE LISTED THE MEANS OF MISSION COMMUNICATION, AND THEY ALSO HAVE LISTED THE TARGET DATE FOR COMPLETION.

THE MISSIONAIRES -- THERE WOULD BE A SERIES OF PEOPLE SELECTED TO DO THIS. IDEALLY AT LEAST TWO, AND HIGHER, GENERALLY YOU WOULD THINK TWO TO THREE, ALTHOUGH AT TIMES YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MISSIONAIRE KNOWN AS AN INSURANCE MISSIONAIRE. THEY WOULD READ THESE MISSION ORDERS. THEY WOULD READ ANY APPROPRIATE MATERIALS THAT WERE RELEVANT TO THESE MISSION ORDERS SO THAT THEY WERE THOROUGHLY SKILLED IN WHAT SITUATION THEY WOULD BE DEALING WITH. THEY WOULD ALSO REVIEW THEIR MAJOR TARGETS AND HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THEM IN CLAY TO GIVE A PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, AND THAT WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THEIR MISSION OPERATIONS WANTED THEM TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT WAS STATED ON THE MISSION ORDERS.

AT SUCH A POINT AS ALL THIS BRIEFING WAS COMPLETED, THEY WOULD THEN FIRE AND THEY WOULD BE OPERATED WHEREBY THEY WOULD REPORT ON THEIR OT TARGETS, DONE, IP, BUG, AND THE MISSION OPS WOULD KEEP TRACK OF THESE MISSION TARGETS THAT WE DONE IP OR BUG, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR MISSION STAY DEBUGGED, THAT THEY COMPLETED THEIR MISSION TARGETS, THAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED THEIR MISSION PURPOSE AND ACHIEVED THE MAJOR TARGETS OF THEIR MISSION, AT WHICH POINT THEY RETURNED HOME.

I feel like it's appropriate that David Miscavige yells that at you

the total commitment to and relentless application of gibberish that his only just 5 degrees off from everyday speech

to the point where bullshit, eisenhowerian fog-machine bureaucrat verbiage, and abuser logic all kind of collapse on each other and it can't be determined whether he knows he's full of shit or doesn't or trying not to answer the question or answer it with perfect accuracy or if it even matters anymore

that amount of energy expended to un-attach from consensus reality is what i meant by "pure evil" btw

the footnote has the added punchline of "[Cabbage] did not elaborate further" or some such

DEMONSTRATE THEM IN CLAY

have to admit i missed this the first time. what?

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/kingkonggodzilla/scitisuccess_zps0fb5b458.jpg

This video's still so good.

DEMONSTRATE THEM IN CLAY

have to admit i missed this the first time. what?

I assume this is related to that crackpot educational/teaching principle they have about actual knowledge/abstract ideas only being acquired through the manipulation of physical objects. All their childhood educational "tech" involves working w models iirc

imho that educational/teaching principle is not crackpot! i worked w/ very smart behavioral psychologist PHDs who specialized in early-intervention education and they used clay + stuff to teach writing/reading and found it super effective.

it's the "only" part that's crackpot

oh, yeah. "only" is obv insane.

Ridging is so OTII.

cool shit

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/515225360837775360

as of right now he's still going

Jeet Heer is great.

speaking of John W. Campbell and Astounding magazine, I don't see this Alfred Bester anecdote posted ITT yet:

(Campbell) called and said he liked the story, wanted to buy it, but would I make some changes in it. Would I also come out to Astounding, which was located somewhere out in the boondocks of New Jersey. I was delighted, never having met the man before. I idolized Campbell. I had this tremendous mental picture of him. But I said that sure I’d come. So I hopped on the train and went wherever the hell and gone out there in New Jersey, and I come to this building which was this really sleazy looking printing plant. So I go up to the offices of Astounding Science Fiction, right? Well, John’s office was about the size of this little alcove right here, and there was enough room for Campbell’s desk and chair, and a chair for one visitor, and that’s all the room there was.

And I came in and shook hands with him, and I’m fairly big but he was enormous; he towered over me. He was about the size of a defensive tackle. Anyway, we sit down (and I’ve got a great sense of humor, and that’s why I could never get along with him). I had the same trouble with Arthur Clarke. I said something once about never being able to get along with Arthur Clarke because he didn’t have a sense of humor. And Arthur wrote me this bitter, wounding letter, and the gist of it said, “I have so got a sense of humor.” But he had included clippings from his reviews that he said proved he had a sense of humor.
Anyway, Campbell said to me out of the clear blue sky, “Of course you don’t know it, you have no way of knowing it yet, but psychiatry–psychiatry as we know it–is dead.”

And I said, “Oh, Mr. Campbell, surely you’re joking.”
And he said, “Psychiatry as we know it is finished.”
And I said, “If you mean the various Freudian schools and the quarreling that’s going on between them…”
He looked at me and said, “No, what I mean is that psychiatry is finished. L. Ron Hubbard has ended psychiatry.”
I said, “Really?”
“Ron is going to win the Nobel Peace Prize.”
And I said, “Wait a minute. I’m sorry, Mr. Campbell, but you’ve lost me. You have to understand that I’m out of Madison Avenue. Outside of the normal networks I don’t know what the hell’s going on.” And I thought, Or in this tacky little office, in this tacky little room, and this guy is full of it.

He said to me, “Would anybody who ended war win the Peace Prize?”
I said, “Sure.”
“L. Ron Hubbard has ended war.”
“Wait a minute, you’ve lost me. How?”
“Dianetics.”
“Honestly, Mr. Campbell, I don’t know what you’re talking about.”
And he said, “Here. Read this.”
“Here and now?”
“Yes.”
“Couldn’t I take a set of galleys home with me?”
“No, no, it’s the only set I’ve got.”

So he’s going about his business, talking to his secretary and whatnot, and I read the first galley and said to myself, “I can’t make any sense out of this mishmash,” so I turn to the second galley and I start to skip over a little, then a little more, but I figure this Campbell looks like a pretty shrewd guy, so I allow enough time for each galley, then I go on to the next one — and hell, there must have been 12 to 15 of these galleys, it was an enormous stack — and so I finished, put them on his desk, and he looks at me and says, “Well? Are we going to win the Nobel Peace Prize?”
And I said, “Well, I can’t tell…but it was very interesting, very interesting concepts behind it…I don’t know. If I could read more of it, I…”
“No, no. The galleys are being rushed in right now.”
“Well, I don’t know.”
And he said, “Look, you’re rejecting it.”
“No, Mr. Campbell, I…”
“That’s alright. People always reject new ideas.”
“Not me, Mr. Campbell. I’m like a monkey; I’m always curious about these things.”
And he said, “No, no, no.” He wouldn’t listen to me.

So we went to this tacky little lunchroom. It had no windows, four walls, and people were screaming their orders in, and we finally got our orders in and Campbell all of a sudden turns to me and says, “You know, we can remember…we can remember all the way back to the fetus.”
“Back to the fetus?”
“Ah, yes. The fetus remembers.” And he stands up over me and says, “You can clear yourself. Put your mind back…think, think…remember, remember…when your mother tried to abort you with a button hook and you’ve never stopped hating her!”
And I was really shaken. I said to myself, Oh dear God, don’t let me laugh in his face. And the only way out of it was to agree, so I said, “You’re absolutely right, Mr. Campbell, I can’t go through with it, the emotional scars are too strong.” He sat down and we went on chatting.
But all he wanted was all the Freudian things taken out of the story so it wouldn’t get in the way of the new Dianetics. Of course, when “Oddy and Id” was reprinted I went back to the original. But that was the one session I had with Campbell and it was the last. That guy was a maniac!

Scientology uses the faces of famous comedians to promote their comedy festival. Hilarity ensues.

http://tonyortega.org/2014/10/07/comedy-gold-mark-ebner-catches-scientology-cheating-with-sarah-silverman/#more-17277

ummmm in the most popular comment under that article wtf does 'wog' mean in america