if you had asked me five years ago it would've been buckingham
stevie wrote my favorite mac song ("storms") but her songs on tango suck
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link
this is inspired by watching the classic albums show and theres a bit where christine mcvie is p snotty about stevie nicks songwriting and i mean whatever stevie nicks songs are often p meaningless but dont be so rude christine!
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link
should have phrased this who is the worst
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
that way you can choose TWO favourites
they all seem like they would be really rude except stevie nicks maybe but i bet she is really rude as well. but then sometimes like way too polite.
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
Though my favorite Fleetwood Mac tune is probably Brown Eyes I still voted Buckingham.
― Marty8501 (Marty Innerlogic), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
stevie obv. gonna win this in a...ahem.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 21 July 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
theres a bit where christine mcvie is p snotty about stevie nicks
iirc buckingham also does this all the time, describing her songwriting as "open-ended" or unstructured or something like that. but that's why i like it, when it's good! the "gypsy" bridge is going absolutely nowhere and it's great
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:24 (nine years ago) link
def would have gone with buckingham back in the day but honestly just can't pick now
― da croupier, Monday, 21 July 2014 17:26 (nine years ago) link
There was a bit in the Stevie doc from a couple years ago about how she and Lindsey almost got in a knockdown drag out fight over how one of her verses was in first person and another was in third person in the same song.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 21 July 2014 17:27 (nine years ago) link
lol i mean its obviously so fine to switch perspectives mid song
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link
Misleading thread titles: Would buy tickets for a band that was Buckingham, Nicks, John McVie and an excellent drummer.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 21 July 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link
sometimes wish that buckingham nicks album had been a big hit and they had never joined fm
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
yeah i'm not looking for that Rumors-less timeline myself
― da croupier, Monday, 21 July 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link
McVie > Buckingham > Nicks
― guwop (crüt), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link
lol
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link
oh wait are you serious?
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link
yes?
― guwop (crüt), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
or are you telling me what order they joined the band in
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
my favorite FM songs are "Don't Stop" and "Say You Love Me" and "You Make Loving Fun" so I am 100% serious. not trying to get into a stupid argument about my personal opinion.
― guwop (crüt), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link
i still love stevie nicks fwiw
i'm pretty much in agreement but they're not separated by too much in my preference
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:05 (nine years ago) link
my favorite FM songs are "Don't Stop" and "Say You Love Me" and "You Make Loving Fun"
Wow, these are songs I'd never say I hate, but they are the ones I reliably skip when I know they're coming.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 21 July 2014 18:07 (nine years ago) link
so many of her supposedly good songs are actually terrible i cannot describe how annoying everywhere is to me
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:07 (nine years ago) link
I love love love Everywhere. But I like Seven Wonders even more and everybody else seems to hate that one (I know it's a Stevie song...sort of).
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 21 July 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link
some of mcvie's best cuts are from this era imo
Fleetwood Mac between Peter Green and Buckingham/Nicks
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:09 (nine years ago) link
so funny also to think of these middle aged people being like a fresh pop act
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link
"you make loving fun" is unbelievable
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link
i am willing to accept that there is all this excellent mcvie material hidden on bob welch albums but this is not so tempting
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link
brad otm
― guwop (crüt), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
there are admittedly some really great christine mcvie songs up until tusk
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
over and over for example
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
"hold me" is like the best song on mirage
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link
ymmv if you don't like christine as much but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjdNvxF6eQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJF-x9XJio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIARC-2ji6I
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
imo with christine there's oddly no middle ground between the transcendent and the clunker.
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 21 July 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link
I'm listening to Behind the Mask right now (why? because I obviously hate myself). If there were more songs like "Save Me" on this album, Lindsey's departure might not have been as big a deal as it was. One of Christine's strongest post-Rumours songs.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 21 July 2014 18:29 (nine years ago) link
She's so good at verse-chorus-verse with little subtle harmonic curlicues that she's easy to underestimate.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
Christine's best album is Tango. She runs away with the thing.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
alfred otm
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
buckingham hands fucking down
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
^This. I do think that some of McVie's best songs are on Bare Trees and Future Games but she's still on point all through this era.
― cwkiii, Monday, 21 July 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link
It's more accurate to argue that McVie's Tango songs lent themselves to Buck's ministrations more than Nicks distracted doodles.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:45 (nine years ago) link
Never forget: WASAMATTAH BABEH BABEH BABEH
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link
darn, thought thread title was buckingham nicks movie for a second.
― pplains, Monday, July 21, 2014 12:56 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
same here, thought it was time to make some casting decisions
― not pop, shambhala, where to buy weed (some dude), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link
lol there goes the thread
― cwkiii, Monday, 21 July 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
Meryl Streep as Buckingham obv
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link
kim coates as buckingham
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
dennis from always sunny has to play lindsey obv
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link
http://images.scholastic.co.uk/assets/a/20/ef/132325-ml-554232.jpg
― da croupier, Monday, 21 July 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
It should be the whole cast of Sunny, incl. the waitress (she could be Bekka Bramlett, for inst.)Then there's this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBft-I4UdU
― dow, Monday, 21 July 2014 19:30 (nine years ago) link
(Xp)
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
Or to wear leotards while sporting wooden balls
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link
in the box set there's a photo of Stevie shooting a Polaroid pic while sitting clothed on the toilet. It's where I wrote my best songs, she said, including the ones "you hear" on the radio.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
I want ornate Stallone sentences right now!! (I really do, always figured him smart but never read any interviews)
― g simmel, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
Sit on my toilet Stevie Nicks
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link
Choose only one huh?http://37.media.tumblr.com/568c4e88f6b7b4f0593b82c688346724/tumblr_n5c2fh0OsB1tziohao1_250.gif
― campreverb, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
I want ornate Stallone sentences right now!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iN_h547_Fg
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link
http://www.rogerebert.com/interviews/interview-with-sylvester-stallone
They'd ask me questions which I, as an actor, knew nothing about, and I was so enchanted by the sound of my own chatter that I'd spout off my opinions. One day I was doing that on the Dinah Show. And after the show was over, this innocuous-looking gentleman walked up to me. His eyes were glistening. He said one thing: 'Why are you doing this?' Then he turned and walked away.
Poetry.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:36 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Saturday, 26 July 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Sunday, 27 July 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
checks out
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 27 July 2014 05:00 (nine years ago) link
Where does this grammar come from?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHvD9MSchU
― missingNO, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
christine's songs are great; can't believe there's any debate over this.
― Neil Patrick Haggerty (get bent), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
granted, "don't stop" is awful, but i blame the whole band for that.
― Neil Patrick Haggerty (get bent), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
i love dont stop but hear it as more desperate than, say, the clinton administration did
― da croupier, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:53 (nine years ago) link
if "don't stop" actually played any part in getting clinton elected -- after 12 years of reagan and bush -- that just makes the song that much better.
― PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:58 (nine years ago) link
Well, we got eight more years of Reaganism but ooooooohh doncha look baaaack
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
i realize i brought it up in the first place, but not gonna argue politics on a fleetwood mac thread.
― PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 20:02 (nine years ago) link
i'd rather argue about the unfair treatment of nicks in these poll results.
― PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
there's no way the results of the poll wouldn't be fair unless each person got 6 votes
― da croupier, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
would be fair i mean
I'm sure they all got their lawyers and managers on it right away.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
This doc is awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQOjptfZLJ4
Fave moment is probably around 23:40, where Lindsey basically says my way or the highway, either release a double album or I will take all my songs and release my own album.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
Second fave around 4:50, when Stevie arrives at the studio with a dreamcatcher.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link
My favorite bit is when Buckingham questions Mick and when the nine-foot-tall drummer glowers and rises to his full height you suddenly realize that Buckingham may be the genius but it's Mick Fleetwood's fucking band.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 21:43 (nine years ago) link
I like when they interview 2 of the 3 managers about the double album.
― campreverb, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link
man Fleetwood realizes what even in 2003 Buck doesn't: Buck can realize solo albums that sell low five figures because he's in Fleetwood fucking Mac.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 21:49 (nine years ago) link
Tell it to Mick c. "Tango" when he was living on a steady diet of coke in a camper van parked on Lindsey's property.
xpost Eh, if that fame really ported over then Bucky would be playing to thousands of people in clubs rather than hundreds.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 21:52 (nine years ago) link
yeah but Mick's leadership has never been questioned, and it's more certain now that he's off drugs.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 21:54 (nine years ago) link
Don't Stop is great, even if you hate it. Some things are beyond good and evil.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link
I dunno. I think Mick abdicated his leadership position, or at least Bucky took over in something akin to a bloodless coup. While Mick is awesome, it's been Bucky since Tusk - his indulgences, his compromises, his cooperation. Bucky was the only one, besides Christine (I think), who did not have a serious substance abuse problem, and I think Mick understands the band hangs on him now. Especially ever since the "Behind the Mask" debacle.
(Is Behind the Mask a debacle? I've never heard it.)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 22:12 (nine years ago) link
You can be essential without being a leader.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link
I dunno if the band has a leader so much as a person shouting loudest at the moment
― da croupier, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link
The McVie songs on BTM, the only ones I've heard, stick to her tried-and-true and don't sound particularly tacky but no special touches either. I do remember "Save Me" getting airplay.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 22:16 (nine years ago) link
i doubt anyone's said "guys fleetwood mac needs to do something" more than mick, the other 3 show their power by saying they DON'T need to do something.
and then there's john.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
and then there's john
...who has a ton to do with what makes them sound so great. i've always heard fm as very much mick and john's band; the name of the band is no accident. without 'em, the others would just be three very good singer-songwriters, all of whom benefited as much if not more from the rhythm section as the rhythm section benefited from them.
― PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
I've always thought the distance between the B/N album and the s/t/ FM record to be not so great. I love the Mick and John rhythm section, but not least because they adapted so well to Bucky's vision. And probably got even better because of it.
i doubt anyone's said "guys fleetwood mac needs to do something" more than mick
No doubt, says the only member of FM who spent a considerable time bankrupt. Either way, this was a good read: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/30/business/talking-money-with-mick-fleetwood-there-s-no-stopping-tomorrow.html
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 22:36 (nine years ago) link
sister stopped by this place on her money, said it was pretty surreal - lots of paintings of himself
http://www.fleetwoodsonfrontst.com/
― da croupier, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link
on her honeymoon, i meant to write. gah