CLASSIC ROCK TRACKS POLL: THE RESULTS

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and speaking of skynyrd and neil young, i cited this wikifact about "sweet home alabama" in the doctor casino listening thread:

There is a semi-hidden vocal line in the second verse after the "Well, I heard Mr. Young sing about her" line. In the left channel, you can hear the phrase "Southern Man" being sung lightly (at approximately 0:55). This was producer Al Kooper doing a Neil Young impression ... According to Leon Wilkeson, it was Kooper's idea to continue and echo the lines from "Southern Man" after each of Van Zant's lines. "Better...keep your head"..."Don't forget what your / good book says", etc. But Van Zant insisted that Kooper remove it, not wanting to plagiarize or upset Young. Kooper left the one line barely audible in the left channel.

what i have discovered since then is that while by all indications the original version of skynyrd didn't do any such young-mocking in their live shows, the current skynyrd lineup has made it a standard part of the song.

johnny van zant: "well i heard mr. young sing about us"
backup singers: "southern man better..."
johnny: "well i heard old neil put her down"
backups: "...keep your head" (one backup singer pats her head)

at 1:08 here, for example:

youtu.be/1h6KLmLSSb8

PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link

xpost Great post, fcc. If I wasn't from the south, I think I might be able to hear the song that way and it would have shot up into my top twenty. It really is a hell of a composition/performance/recording. Some things are just hard to disentangle.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link

(xp) aargh, i mean at 1:08 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6KLmLSSb8

PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link

Some things are just hard to disentangle.

totally agreed and totally understood.

PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link

it's a song about challenging the outside world's assumptions about who these people are who are waving confederate flags

Yeah, and as such it is not really any more convincing than "Accidental Racist." (Though it is a much better song, obv. -- I'm not disputing its massive hooks.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link

Anyway, hooray for Marshall Tucker placing!

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link

I stand with fcc!

in re complexity/simplicity, if this is "just that endless loop of three chords" then I'm sure it's no big deal for Shakey to tell us all what key it's in.

;-)

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:07 (nine years ago) link

plate number otm "ooo ooo ooo"

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link

Just grabbed lunch and they're playing "Life's Been Good" in this place

it sure has, Joe, it sure has

some dude, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link

That plate was the last generation of Alabama plate to feature the slogan "Heart of Dixie," which was only phased out in January of THIS year.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link

The other major association I have with the phrase "sweet home" is the bad teenage comedy anime DNA ^2. That doesn't help either.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link

it's in D

xxp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link

Robert Plant might not have taken us all the way to the darkest depths of Mordor, but one thing's for sure.... we're not in Kansas anymore

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link

Being from the south and hearing it all the time, I hated Sweet Home Alabama for a long time, but have come to terms with it. I quite enjoy it now, and put it at number 64.

Jeff, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/lAlrMfX.jpg

66. Toto – Hold The Line
944 points, 15 votes

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link

First appearance of the dink-dink-dink piano!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link

The other major association I have with the phrase "sweet home" is the bad teenage comedy anime DNA ^2. That doesn't help either.

my other major association starts with motley and ends with crue.

PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link

Haha I was literally just sitting here wondering if gr80 was going to make the same dad joke I would've

some dude, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link

First appearance of the dink-dink-dink piano!

please please please tell me there are more to come.

PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link

Dude is totally holding the line in that pic.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link

xxxxxpost you're sure it's not G?

note: this is an old joke. "sweet home alabama" is in either G or D but it's unresolvable and better theory-heads than myself have gone to war on both sides of the question.

here's a representative thread on the subject. it's currently at 40 pages:
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=845618

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link

Hold the Line also on my most-hated list.

pplains, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link

better theory-heads than myself have gone to war on both sides of the question

which side is robert e. lee on?

PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link

No one in Alabama cares about what some dead old Virginian thinks.

pplains, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:23 (nine years ago) link

High 5 fcc! Good analysis of the complexities and simplicities of "Sweet Home Alabama," mine was the other #1 vote

Brad C., Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link

LIE YINE! BOW DU DU DU!

Song rules, Toto rules. Took me a long time, and Yacht Rock to come around to these facts. Didn't vote for the Toto IV megahits (which would have sat way at the top of my ballot, but felt way too 80s), but "Hold the Line" is great crunchy melodrama out of the mouths of studio nerds, which is a big part of this format for me.

"I'll Supply The Love" is the other amaaaazing track from this record, those clean bursts of muscley lead guitar announcing the arrival of the song (bit of a lift from "Do Ya" I guess), the beautifully stupid chorus/premise, and then the showoffy workout at the end. BUMP BUH BUM! Love it.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link

particularly enjoy fez's rendition of 'hold the line' on that 70s show

mookieproof, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link

The thingsthatyousaythatyou do

Hold the line!

I didn't order a lime! No no no.

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link

(xp) thanks brad! (my #1 vote, however, is now contingent on the song being in G. if it's in D, that changes everything.)

PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link

lol

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link

"I'll Supply The Love" is the other amaaaazing track from this record, those clean bursts of muscley lead guitar announcing the arrival of the song (bit of a lift from "Do Ya" I guess)

otm

PORPOISE AND ME (fact checking cuz), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link

heard it in a love song > can't u see

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link

"hold the line" is the rockinest toto but lol at it placing over AC/DC, Skynyrd and Zep. bodes well for "never been any reason"!

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link

Toto is the worst of all these bands

sleeve, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link

note: this is an old joke. "sweet home alabama" is in either G or D but it's unresolvable and better theory-heads than myself have gone to war on both sides of the question.

yeah yeah I know this is an old joke but the only reason it's debatable at all is because of the solo. the song is still three chords ad nauseam.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link

Toto is the worst of all these bands

I actually disagree and think there are a lot of really good Toto songs, even well into the 80s. The most surprising thing is that they weren't dropped immediately in 1978 after someone at CBS heard "Georgy Porgy".

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link

note: this is an old joke. "sweet home alabama" is in either G or D but it's unresolvable and better theory-heads than myself have gone to war on both sides of the question.

here's a representative thread on the subject. it's currently at 40 pages:
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=845618

There was some good discussion on the IMM theory thread.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link

yeah yeah I know this is an old joke but the only reason it's debatable at all is because of the solo. the song is still three chords ad nauseam.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 July 2014

i had no doubt. just figured i'd share with the studio audience =D

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:39 (nine years ago) link

What you say about the Key of G,
Is what you say about the Key of D

http://i.imgur.com/bjb3XWb.jpg

65. Rush – Tom Sawyer
972 points, 12 votes, 1 first place vote

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link

Yessssss voted this high for my family!

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link

Not 1st pl high tho

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link

65??????????????????

Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link

Oh Carl is going to be disappointed with this placement.

Jeff, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link

BOW NOW NOW weeny weeny weeeee

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link

the only Rush I couldn't deny for a classic rock poll

Euler, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link

I'm starting to realize that my only real beef with prog bands is that they'll occasionally lock into a real tight groove only to abandon it a minute and a half later for something far less compelling. "Tom Sawyer" is definitely an occasion when they maintain the focus and bring it home, though.

I totally blew out my voice singing "Hold The Line" on SingStar. That should give an indication of my feelings for that song.

Eat Your Heart Out And Fingerblast Your Pancreas (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link

My #1! I know it isn't the most CR of CR tunes, but I can't help myself, I love me some Rush.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link

This is another track where you could poll individual drum fills like "In the Air Tonight," but fuck Neil Peart showing off imo. Phil's fills are tasteful.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link


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