The least worst of Nu-Metal

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The Rasmus? Single of the year? How I laughed.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The RZA is actually on that SOAD cover, isn't he?

briania (briania), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

alright some of these been covered already but fuck it (and while "Butterfly" is glorious its not really nu-metal. It's just a rap song).

This isn't a top ten ever, it's not even necessarily my favorite songs by these artists, but if you don't like any of these songs, wtf are you doing on this thread. you don't believe in a least worst of nu-metal, you're just being a troll.

Evanescence - "Bring Me To Life"
Linkin Park - "Faint"
Limp Bizkit - "Nookie"
Deftones - "Minerva"
System Of A Down - "Chop Suey"
Disturbed - "Down With The Sickness"
Limp Bizkit - "No Sex"
Korn - "Freak On A Leash"
Deftones - "Change (In The House Of Flies)
Linkin Park - "In The End"

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Do we consider Incubus nu-metal? They have quite a few songs I wouldn't kick out of bed for eating crackers. I'll just pick "2010" out of the bunch, for posterity's sake, but they really are pretty great.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

The first five tracks off Slipknot's debut disc
Anything off the Deftones' White Pony, which is fucking brilliant start to finish
Most of Disturbed's Believe, which is much, much better than the debut
There are at least three or four good songs on Static X's Wisconsin Death Trip, but I can't remember the titles right now

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"Science" by incubus is a pretty good album, but they turned to the dark side after that.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm confused as to why the seemingly arbitrary decision was made to create a 3 CD set. Based on this thread so far, it sounds like there's a very strong, enjoyable single "Least Worst of Nu-Metal," but it also sounds like stretching it into 3 discs is gonna be tough. Even by the standards of the folks here who have the most interest in the genre.

Personally, I'm only gonna second what's already been said: "Chop Suey" is a good song, and there's a good bit of Deftones stuff out there worth inclusion.

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"Youth of the Nation" - POD
"Butterfly", "Revolving Door" - Crazytown
Static X (first two albums anyway)
Apex Theory (first album and EP)

probably some other stuff I've mentioned on other threads

chuck, Friday, 30 July 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

The first two hit singles by Adema (Jonathon Davis's brother's band) are also better than anything by Korn. And Kittie (esp on their live EP) aren't absolutely horrible at all.

chuck, Friday, 30 July 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

And Scott is OTM about Mad Capsule Markets (though I personally might like Apex Theory slightly more)

chuck, Friday, 30 July 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

(Also Cyclefly, if they count.)

chuck, Friday, 30 July 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

dang, totally forgot about "Youth Of The Nation"

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, I'm having no luck whatsoever finding this SOAD "Shame On a Nigga" cover, and it's on the verge of ruining my day.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

its on slsk and it's not good

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Lil Wyte ft. Josey Scott of Saliva - Homicidal, Suicidal
Three 6 Mafia ft. Josey Scott of Saliva - Mosh Pit
Papa Roach - Last Resort

scg, Friday, 30 July 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

-I'm confused as to why the seemingly arbitrary decision was made to create a 3 CD set

I always do 3 cd sets. I made a blues 3cd set, a hip hop 3cd set, two 80's 3 cd set, 10 indie rock 3 cds set, a Jandek 3cd set, a Prince 3 cd set... This is totally arbitrary.

- Based on this thread so far, it sounds like there's a very strong, enjoyable single "Least Worst of Nu-Metal," but it also sounds like stretching it into 3 discs is gonna be tough. Even by the standards of the folks here who have the most interest in the genre.

Yes, you are right. I will try to do a 2 cd set.


- Personally, I'm only gonna second what's already been said: "Chop Suey" is a good song, and there's a good bit of Deftones stuff out there worth inclusion.

Thank You and thanks to all of you.

Elvis is Dead, Friday, 30 July 2004 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sort of inspired to make one of my own mixes like this now.

If ever a genre could be distilled to one disc, it was nu-metal.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

good deftones includes

Feitciera
Digital Bath
Street Carp
Teenage
Knife prty
Change (In The House Of Flies)
Pink Maggit
Hexagram
Minerva
When Girls Telephone Boys
Battle-Axe
Moana

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Sysytem of a Down is a GREAT fucking band. Calling them nu-metal is an insult. I also like Slipknot -- "Duality" is a great single. Beyond that, most of it is shit -- tho Linkin Park piques my intellectual interest.

Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

So what's the verdict on Incubus as nu-metal?

Probably not, right?

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I wanna put like five Linkin Park songs on this thing. Maybe I could get away with two.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:35 (nineteen years ago) link

And I agree with this too! But I also think Linkin Park are a not-bad pop band.

it's their depeche mode-isms, innit? (not to mention the deftones' mbv-isms/swervedriver-isms/shoegazer tendencies)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link

the latter features of the deftones being why they're the ONLY nu-metal band* that gets MY seal of approval, of course!

(* = unless tool counts as nu-metal. but even after all this time, that's still an open question, yes?)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 31 July 2004 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, here's what I came up with. One-disc--there's just not enough really strong material for two.

Bring Me to Life: The Least Worst of Nu-Metal:

1. "Bring Me to Life" - Evanescence
2. "Du Hast" - Rammstein
3. "Just Like You" - Three Days Grace
4. "Duality" - Slipknot
5. "The Reason" - Hoobastank
6. "Got the Life" - KoRn
7. "Alive" - P.O.D.
8. "In the End" - Linkin Park
9. "Toxicity" - System of a Down
10. "Push It" - Static-X
12. "Blue Monday" - Orgy
13. "My Own Summer (Shove It)" - The Deftones
14. "Broken" - Seether f/ Amy Lee
15. "Last Train Home" - Lostprophets

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Saturday, 31 July 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

It's too bad "Crawling" has such a grating, obvious chorus, or it'd be much better than "In The End". "Broken" is on par with Creed. "Last Train Home" is pretty great, I love how after the first "chorus" ends it hits you with AN EVEN BIGGER CHORUS, and Lostprophets' first album was definitely nu-metal, but I'm not sure about that song.

Sansai, Saturday, 31 July 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

seconded: "Du Hast" and "Push It"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 31 July 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

System of a Down are not nu-metal at all! They are,uh, erm... pop spazcore?

Rammstein's Mutter is extremely underappreciated in the States.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 1 August 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Reason" is not nu-metal in the least!!!! Also, it is the most grating single of the year, Josh Groban notwithstanding. Replace with Papa Roach - "Last Resort," Dr. Bill.

Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 1 August 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

SOAD are intelligent nu-metal. Nu-metal nonetheless.

"Broken" was a last minute addition because I wanted another power ballad. It might've been inappropriate.

"The Reason" itself isn't too nu-metal but the band is and their other songs suck. It's a bit of a stretch I suppose but I don't find it too inappropriate.

"Last Resort" is terrible. I might enjoy its presence on the mix because it's pretty fucking hysterical, but I wanted to make the most legitimate case possible for nu-metal as a truly worthwhile genre. It's not a great case but I think it probably works OK.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Sunday, 1 August 2004 06:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard a single nu-metal song I like.

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 1 August 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Does Rob Zombie count as nu-metal?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 1 August 2004 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Adema are utterly, utterly indefensible.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 1 August 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex in NYC OTM.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I just got a cd in the mail by a band called X Headz that is pretty good. It's probably too late for them and no one will probably ever hear it. I think they are from Germany, but they have the American-sounding nu-grunge vocalist. The band is pretty tight though. And they rock a lot harder on some tracks then most nu-bys. And their album title is incomprehensibly memorable: Dirty Pounding Gasoline! Good hard rock guitar solos too (which is a plus).

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Instead of trying to find not-horrible nu-metal music, everyone should just go out and buy a Katatonia album and call it a day.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of Katatonia I need to burn you that Disco Inferno disc -- can you just e-mail me your address so I don't forget it? Thanks!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

No, thank you. I sent my addy along via e-mail.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and Bill, dude, the Rasmus - "In The Shadows" needs to be on there. Bounciest nu-metal chorus ever. Definitely should replace "The Reason" or "Broken". I'd personally count Incubus as nu-metal, but they've covered quite a bit of ground so it's tough to say what to put on there. Do you take the honestly-sorta-good funk stuff ("Antigravity Love Song", "Deep Inside"), the pale, overly earnest ballads ("Stellar", "Drive") or the guilty-pleasure faux-prog ("Nice To Know You", "Warning")?

Sansai, Monday, 2 August 2004 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I fucking hate the Deftones.

Can't have System without 'Sugar', which is far and away their greatest song. (they are obv 'nu-mental')

'Wait and bleed' seconded, as it is a pretty little folk song; bizkit's 'break stuff' was fucking iconic. And Pitchshifter were pretty decent, too, not that I can think of any song titles off the top of my head. Marylin Manson's 'Rock is dead' was also pretty damn near classic.

+ That remix of Rob Zombie's 'Dragula'!

...oh, man. I dig out my old mixtapes now!

secret numetallist (cis), Monday, 2 August 2004 06:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Adema are utterly, utterly indefensible.

There's an Adema video on the Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance game disc. I think the song might even be about Mortal Kombat. It's pathetic.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 2 August 2004 06:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Never heard of Rasmus, I'll give it a download.

The overly earnest ballads are my Incubus of choice.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 2 August 2004 06:45 (nineteen years ago) link

If I concede a single good thing about Limp Bizkit, the revisionists have already won.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 2 August 2004 06:46 (nineteen years ago) link

If you're talking about the British Pitchshifter (is there more than one? I dunno.) then they're so un-Nu-Metal it's untrue. How can a cross between Godflesh and Oil Seed Rape be Nu-Metal?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 2 August 2004 07:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The Rasmus aren't new metal, they're cartoon Goth pop. If you call them nu-metal, then you have to call HIM nu-metal, and that'd just be retarded.

(Bill: The Rasmus are probably one of the ten biggest bands in the world at the moment, but they don't seem too bothered about cracking the US yet).

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 August 2004 08:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Adema are utterly, utterly indefensible.
There's an Adema video on the Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance game disc. I think the song might even be about Mortal Kombat. It's pathetic.

-- AaronHz (aaronh...), August 2nd, 2004.

Oh, yeah! I remember looking at it and just shaking my head.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Rasmus aren't new metal, they're cartoon Goth pop. If you call them nu-metal, then you have to call HIM nu-metal, and that'd just be retarded."

It has effeminate pop-star vocals, but the guitar line and production are totally nu-metal. I-IIIm. Suck it.

Sansai, Monday, 2 August 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Does Disturbed have anything worth putting on there? I sorta recall a song that effectively ripped off the intro to Siouxsie and the Banshees - "Monitor", but the vocals killed it.

Sansai, Monday, 2 August 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

the adema songs i sort of like are "the way you like it" (about fucking) and "freaking out" (about freaking out). they're kinda sexy and catchy, and you can understand the words, and the singer (who at least in these songs apparently doesn't feel the need to prove to us what a "mean macho man trying to a difficult shit" he is like most gnu-metal morons) has an halfway decent singing voice. they're actually more OK in a mid 90s bubblegrunge (as in, uh, stabbing westward) kinda way than a rap-metal way, fine with me. and if korn has come up with any song half as melodic, i've never heard it.

chuck, Monday, 2 August 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

...trying to TAKE a difficult shit..., I meant.

chuck, Monday, 2 August 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

The new Saliva album isn't horrible. They're apparently trying to sound like '70s or '80s hard rock now, definitely a commendable idea, though the singer doesn't quite have a good enough voice to pull it off--usually he still reminds me more of fred durst than of joe elliot or mark farner or whoever. but at least he's TRYING....

chuck, Monday, 2 August 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link


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