dj mustard 2014

my cabana is forever moving because of the blunted sadness and deep concern with how many hos CAN fit in his cabana; that last "hos...." does a lot of heavy lifting

you guys cannot play dumb about Ty. this is like the plausible deniability shit where people tried to act like Odd Future didn't use gay slurs more than other rappers when there were, like, statistics to the contrary. Trey Songz might have a couple extra macho songs where he says some rough stuff about women but with Ty Dolla Sign it's like every single line of every single song.

idk i just see dudes go on about his supposedly creepy and horrible lyrics way more than women, not that i see people apologizing for stuff like that my cabana verse or anything but it just seems like weirdly arbitrary distinction

but yeah "My Cabana" quoted, definitely see it there, shame too cuz I dig the whole atmosphere on that track

― nova, Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:21 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the 'ignorant' lyrics are the point tho

this is ridiculous

cannot believe this misogynist rapper asking for threesomes and buying women red bottoms, truly we have broken new ground here

but yeah "My Cabana" quoted, definitely see it there, shame too cuz I dig the whole atmosphere on that track

― nova, Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:21 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the 'ignorant' lyrics are the point tho

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 3 August 2014 23:03 (Yesterday) Permalink

ok but they're still pretty mean-spirited/flippant?

ty's thing is kinda being a scumbag, even if he is frequently charming

i mean "or nah"... he wrote "loyal" ... he has a track record

the first beach house EP has IRL voicemails of him being a fucking dickhead to women

but i also think it's an arbitrary distinction to single him out. the opposing sides of this argument also have opposing opinions on how talented he is.

when i interviewed him asked him if women ever tell him that he comes off like an asshole on his songs and he gave me a "pshhhhh" answer like i asked him the stupidest question in the world

he just ain't a beta bitch like that Aubrey Graham lame amirite

nah i'm kidding. I do find both of their lyrical approaches problematic though, just in different ways

mostly I just don't think Drake has that much insight into things & it's mainly like ok dude, you're wallowing in your relationship troubles, we been there but i'm honestly not that interested & after a point it's just self-indulgent

ty has no pretense really. he's openly the asshole bad boy that girls like. drake is also the asshole bad boy but he wraps it up in tenderness & introspection that i think he thinks is harder to see thru than it really is. you could argue that the latter is more manipulative and perhaps maybe worse.

I fuck mad bitches but I feel very conflicted about it

lol yeah though I see what you're saying

control+ F spotify not found

― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:45 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Who do you love:
http://open.spotify.com/user/theshipment/playlist/6XvZR19oAdYtPX2dPPsxjn

_control+ F spotify not found

― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:45 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink_

Who do you love:
http://open.spotify.com/user/theshipment/playlist/6XvZR19oAdYtPX2dPPsxjn
--Strictly EZ Snappin' Nhex (Spottie)

or turn on the radio for 20 minutes

or nah

hee hee

In general I like Mustard more than the vocalists he works with, I don't want or need to hear 2 Chainz or Ty Dolla Sign on anything these days but I lap these up when he's working with people I actually give a shit about.

― Matt DC, Saturday, August 2, 2014 11:34 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah otm. i LOVE mustard beats and am so thankful for him speeding up the tempo but aside from yg, he works with a whole bunch of people i don't care about that much - kinda feel that the current mustardwave is a missed opportunity in terms of who i'd love to be getting on his beats. this list should be 100% amazing, i shouldn't have to be cherrypicking dj mustard radio hits when he's at his peak! thank christ for the yg album for giving me enough of an extended fix. i actually feel like i'd like to hear more mustard r&b productions, obv not anyone with a big voice but natasha mosley sounds awesome on the yg album ("459" is the secret best track on it!) and he saved tinashe (for now) from corny hemsworth mediocrity. at the risk of being very much in character, he's so obviously the producer CIARA has been waiting for.

anyway

1. 2 on
2. left right
3. up down
4. vato

sorta sad that those are the only ones i 100% love. "who do you love" is aight but pretty mid-to-low table on the yg album. never really clicked with "paranoid", mostly because the lyrics just make me want to slap ty. "24 hours" beat is awesome but outstrips the vocalists embarrassingly. "no mediocre" is so frustrating, incredible beat and catchy hook but tip is so gross on it! "don't tell em" is uncharacteristically clumsy with the corny sample and v ill-fitting for jeremih (though i'd rather he does this than work with shlohmo ever again). "or nah" is so horrendously misogynist that i am happy calling anyone who reps for the og over the lil mo version a misogynist as well. i mean the vocals and message are so foregrounded that how can you even tune them out. fuck ty dolla $ign for that, seriously. similarly, i'm not hurrying to check out a song called "main chick" featuring chris brown.

what other examples of fake-mustard are there besides "loyal" and "fancy"? (it's sad that both are better than half this list.) (i refer to the female remixes of "loyal" obviously, and so should you)

Agree with almost everything here and above re: the grossness and mediocrity of said vocalists. Typical response from my female friends on hearing a Mustard-produced track - "wow, this guy's really charming."

what other examples of fake-mustard are there besides "loyal" and "fancy"? (it's sad that both are better than half this list.) (i refer to the female remixes of "loyal" obviously, and so should you)

― lex pretend, Friday, August 8, 2014 8:01 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh and "LEMONADE" OBVIOUSLY HOW COULD I FORGET

a list including the fake-mustards would probably go

1. 2 on
2. left right
3. lemonade
4. loyal (k. michelle version)
5. fancy
6. up down
7. vato

also i guess we should anticipate the mustard album out next week here? vocalist roster is neither surprising nor particularly exciting, and where is "vato"????

1. Low Low Feat. Nipsey Hussle, TeeCee and RJ
2. Ghetto Tales Feat. Jay 305 and TeeCee
3. Throw Your Hood Up Feat. Dom Kennedy, Royce and RJ
4. No Reason Feat. YG, Jeezy, Nipsey Hussle, and RJ
5. Giuseppee Feat. 2 Chainz and Jeezy and Yo Gotti
6. Face Down Feat. Lil Wayne, Big Sean, YG and Boosie Badazz
7. Down On Me Feat. 2Chainz and Ty Dolla $ign
8. Can’t Tell Me Shit Feat. IamSu! and AKAFrank
9. Tinashe Checks In (Interlude)
10. 4 Digits Feat. Fabolous and Eric Bellinger
11. Ty Dolla $ign Checks In (Interlude)
12. Deep Feat. Rick Ross, Wiz Khalifa, TeeFlii

i'm... skeptical about the existence of that album

what other examples of fake-mustard are there besides "loyal" and "fancy"? (it's sad that both are better than half this list.)

adrian marcel "2am"

yes. also yo gotti - "get right" which was mentioned upthread cuz it might be better than any mustard beat

O_o

http://rap.genius.com/Ty-dolla-sign-or-nah-lyrics#note-2638279

"get right" isn't really fake mustard since it's produced by P-Lo

ahahahaha never change, rap genie

re: "or nah" what i find bizarre and interesting is that nearly all the people that i've seen saying it's uniquely 'horrendously misogynist' compared to most other (male) pop music are men and most of the people i know who actually like the song are women. similarly all the people that i've heard/read pointing out that it's actually semi-refreshing to hear him, via the title phrase, actually explicitly asking for permission to do things to/with her (that dudes in songs routinely tell women they're gonna do to them anyway) are women.

lmao oh god rap genius is the worst site in existence

"get right" isn't really fake mustard since it's produced by P-Lo

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, August 8, 2014 2:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

i know but it clearly rode the mustard wave what w/ jeezy & yg on it

also its called act right lol

"similarly all the people that i've heard/read pointing out that it's actually semi-refreshing to hear him, via the title phrase, actually explicitly asking for permission to do things to/with her (that dudes in songs routinely tell women they're gonna do to them anyway) are women.

― dyl, Friday, August 8, 2014 4:10 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

this always strikes me as a stretch. it's not a horrendously misogynist outlier by any stretch, but generally speaking if I were to hear "so are we going to __________ or not" I would take it as pressuring at best and openly threatening at worst. like, in what possible scenario can you say "or not" and have the response not be "well fuck you bitch"?

agreed. i hope i didn't come across like i was trying to absolve the song or him of misogyny that's frankly rather apparent to me, because the line does come across as rather threatening when i hear it. however i don't want to tell women who like it that what they hear in the song, if it differs from what i hear in it, is wrong, nor do i think it's far different from the sexism i am hearing from male-performed songs all over the radio dial recently. and i do find it interesting that it's mostly men identifying it as a categorically unacceptable Sexist Outlier. (maybe if more women heard it [urban radio probably caters less to them lately], that wouldn't be the case?)

"a list including the fake-mustards would probably go

1. 2 on
2. left right
3. lemonade
4. loyal (k. michelle version)
5. fancy
6. up down
7. vato

― lex pretend, Friday, 8 August 2014 09:35 (Yesterday) Permalink"

why

women like DJ Mustard tracks in general but i dunno how much i associate that with the lyrics

let's be real, the k. michelle/keyshia cole/da brat/mila j/lil mo version of "loyal" is necessary and better

i liked that my radio station actually mixed part of the k michelle version into chris brown's

i'd definitely rather hear the remixes but this is pretty much a thread about hit songs and their beats so the distinction is pretty pointless to fret over

does anyone know a good bmore/jersey club remix of "loyal"

anyway the east coast version is one of my fav songs of the year

wayne/french verses are both toilet water

i actually like some of lyrics in wayne's verse... french's is kind of morally indefensible but he sounds very good on the beat imo. just fun to vibe to.

really it's just an incredibly good production

i had a few good months where i'd avoid "Loyal" studiously enough that even when it got stuck in my head it would quickly morph into Ray J's "Sexy Can I," a better song by a lesser slimeball

i'm in interested to see how trey songz/nicki "touchin lovin" does as a single. it's maybe the first obvious "loyal" rip off right down to the biggie interpolation but it's a pretty dope song

i dunno it seems like "Foreign" is getting the push now and that one is just being forgotten.

that Ma$e single was def the first obvious "Loyal" ripoff.

i forgot what that even sounds like but at least it was produced by nic nac

it's like, the same little drum fills and everything

Wayne is the only part of "Loyal" I like lol, I appreciate the "flamingos/trust these hoes" rhyme in particular

actually I like Too Short's verse on that version fine too

i've never even heard his verse. which is funny he's on the song's official chart entry and Billboard made a big deal of "Loyal" being Too $hort's first top 10 hit when that version has so little to do with its success.

10 Summers is excellent. Damn.

it is very good! tho am beginning to think mustard's collab policy is specifically people who won't outshine his beats

otm