http://joeposnanski.com/joeblogs/alex-gordon-and-the-m-v-p-chants/
That’s where Wins Above Replacement come in.
Gordon’ is second in the major leagues in Fangraphs WAR – that would be AHEAD of Giancarlo Stanton. He’s fourth in the American League in Baseball Reference WAR. How is this possible? Well, he plays spectacular defense in left field (and it really is special defense). He’s also an excellent base runner. We’ve already pointed out that his offensive numbers, in context, are better than they look. When you add it all up WAR style – you get a legitimate MVP candidate.
Or do you? This, to me, becomes a more and more interesting question. I’m working on a piece now about the statistical revolution in baseball, and among the statistical people I’m speaking with there seems to be a growing concern that we as a so called “advanced-statistics community” are beginning to make many of the same leaps of faith and broad generalizations that doomed the old statistics. I don’t want to give away too much of the story, but it’s fair to say there’s a growing sense among some that WAR is becoming the advanced version of RBIs or batting average or pitcher wins – that is to say that people, to quote Vin Scully, are using WAR the way a drunk using a lamppost, for support and not illumination. Heck, I might be the Foster Brooks of WAR.
this is a really good point that i would spend 10000 words on if i had like, a new yorker salary
― k3vin k., Thursday, 28 August 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
true
otoh awards as a whole are weird, it's weird that there are so many piles of "how do we decide these awards" and nothing about "why do these awards exist and why do we act like they're so necessary that we treat them with the seriousness of like the debate over global warming"
i'm derailing aren't i
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 29 August 2014 00:19 (nine years ago) link
the weirdness just occasionally sticks out to me, like here, when really there's no way to determine who's the best at a baseball season so whatever
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 29 August 2014 00:21 (nine years ago) link
(oh and more importantly why does it matter so much)
it's fun to debate maybe it's just poz's obsessive need to rank ballplayers correctly that brings it out in me
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 29 August 2014 00:31 (nine years ago) link
So over the weekend, Royals fans came to Kaufman Stadium en masse, selling the place out. Here’s Yost (Sunday) night:
“The crowds have been fantastic,” Yost said. “I think it’s got them juiced up. They want to really perform for them. And that never works. You’ve got to stay disciplined.”
Maybe Yost should just tell Royals fans the exact number of people he needs in the seats for his team to play at its best.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/01/ned-yost-says-his-players-tried-too-hard-in-front-of-large-crowds/
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link
makes sense that they suddenly have stage fright
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
"Juiced up"? Lil' choke 'n' poke? Knock in some ribbies or ribeyes?
― Andy K, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 01:07 (nine years ago) link
Think I just heard Hudler(?) refer to Jeremy Guthrie as "J-Guts."
― Andy K, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 03:04 (nine years ago) link
his nickname was "guts" in baltimore, never heard j-guts
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 03:28 (nine years ago) link
@msimonespnWade Davis last 30 appearances 0.00 ERA0.73 WHIP 28 2/3 IP 15 H 38 K6 BB Nice to have that when your closer can't go
― Andy K, Saturday, 6 September 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link
wil myers trade looking better and better!
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 6 September 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11476915/kansas-city-royals-danny-duffy-shoulder-exits-one-pitch
― Andy K, Saturday, 6 September 2014 22:54 (nine years ago) link
why would yost leave him in that long pitch counts are way too high these days
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 6 September 2014 23:15 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxhsfR4IQAE6yhk.jpg
― mookieproof, Sunday, 14 September 2014 23:02 (nine years ago) link
Sam Mellinger @mellingerNed Yost on facing Chris Sale: "He throws a lot of strikes. That's good for us, because we swing at a lot of balls."
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:23 (nine years ago) link
Lindbergh on BP podcast wondered if Yost was trolling w/ those Sunday billpen comments
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
ned yost has said and done way too many dumb things to really credit that
unless he's playing a *really* deep troll game, which i would suggest is misguided
― mookieproof, Thursday, 18 September 2014 00:17 (nine years ago) link
it's like the 'long game' of a certaiin president
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:07 (nine years ago) link
no
― mookieproof, Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:10 (nine years ago) link
As a Brewer fan I assure you, the guy is not trolling
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:11 (nine years ago) link
Finally-full stadium, pulled starters: 2014 Kansas City Royals
― Andy K, Saturday, 20 September 2014 02:23 (nine years ago) link
Yost!
Kansas City - Bottom of 1st SCOREMax Scherzer pitching for Detroit DET KCA Escobar doubled to deep left. 0 0N Aoki sacrificed to pitcher, A Escobar to third. 0 0J Willingham struck out swinging. 0 0A Gordon struck out swinging. 0 0
@jazayerliYou mean moving the strikeout-prone hitter facing one of the game's top strikeout pitchers didn't bring the runner home from 3rd with 1 out?
― Andy K, Saturday, 20 September 2014 17:24 (nine years ago) link
Kansas City - Bottom of 3rd SCOREMax Scherzer pitching for Detroit DET KCJ Dyson singled to right. 0 0A Escobar singled to left, J Dyson to second. 0 0N Aoki sacrificed to pitcher, J Dyson to third, A Escobar to second. 0 0J Willingham fouled out to first. 0 0A Gordon struck out swinging. 0 0
― Andy K, Saturday, 20 September 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
yeah i heard some boos in that first inning.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 20 September 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
I think we are going to hear a lot about that Perez blunder.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 20 September 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
yea that was wild
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 20 September 2014 19:20 (nine years ago) link
Guess we're still wondering what Nathan has to do to lose his job.
― Andy K, Saturday, 20 September 2014 20:28 (nine years ago) link
pretty much. 14 swings-and-misses in his last 13 innings, i'm told
lol aoki has 13 hits in his last 18 at bats, so naturally bunt him twice
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 September 2014 20:31 (nine years ago) link
there goes the Cinderella costume
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 September 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link
"We wanted a professional hitter in a professional at-bat." -- Ned Yost
(Hear that, Billy Butler?)
― Andy K, Saturday, 20 September 2014 23:56 (nine years ago) link
Kahrl:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/51636/royals-botching-both-little-big-things
― Andy K, Sunday, 21 September 2014 12:37 (nine years ago) link
Kansas City - Bottom of 4th SCORERick Porcello pitching for Detroit DET KCO Infante walked. 2 2M Moustakas singled to right, O Infante to second. 2 2A Escobar bunt popped out to pitcher. 2 2
Escobar was two-for-two prior to this at-bat. Infante and Moustakas were the Royals' ninth and tenth base runners against Porcello, whose stuff has been LOUSY today.
Luckily for Yost, Aoki tripled after Escobar's pop-out (which occurred on a second attempt; there were boos the moment Escobar squared the first time).
― Andy K, Sunday, 21 September 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
And Jim Johnson is Ausmus' first choice from the pen. OK.
― Andy K, Sunday, 21 September 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
Aoki bunted on his own at least once on Saturday btw
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 September 2014 11:04 (nine years ago) link
jazayerli:
Afterwards we learned that Aoki bunted on his own his first time up. Sorry, but that’s no excuse. It’s the manager’s job to make sure when his players should NOT be bunting, and man oh man was that a situation in which the batter should not be bunting.And anyway, Yost did put the bunt on with Aoki his second time up, proving he had learned nothing from how the first inning ended.
And anyway, Yost did put the bunt on with Aoki his second time up, proving he had learned nothing from how the first inning ended.
― mookieproof, Monday, 22 September 2014 11:15 (nine years ago) link
yes i wd agree
KC crowd booed the bunts too
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 September 2014 11:32 (nine years ago) link
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/96076652/royals-2014-success-translate-to-2015
― Andy K, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
royals
― mookieproof, Saturday, 27 September 2014 02:54 (nine years ago) link
yostseason
― mookieproof, Saturday, 27 September 2014 02:57 (nine years ago) link
your skepticism is yosttoast
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 September 2014 02:58 (nine years ago) link
ok, where is the Central playoff if there is a tie on Sunday night?
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 September 2014 03:15 (nine years ago) link
I propose the Big O.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 27 September 2014 03:56 (nine years ago) link
^^^pvmic
― mookieproof, Saturday, 27 September 2014 03:58 (nine years ago) link
pvmic?
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 27 September 2014 04:00 (nine years ago) link
oh i get it
am i the only one who still doesn't really count the new one game playoff as the "playoffs"
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 27 September 2014 04:02 (nine years ago) link
fuck you, fan of a team that's won two championships without ever winning a division
― mookieproof, Saturday, 27 September 2014 04:10 (nine years ago) link
if the first wild card series was three games or something i'd count it, but one game feels too impermanent to me
cool for the royals though (go A's nonetheless)
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 27 September 2014 04:12 (nine years ago) link
it's the postseason, "the playoffs" are that 2-month NBA joke perpetuated with everyone who's .400+
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 September 2014 04:15 (nine years ago) link
also the primary benefit of the one-game 'play-in' crapshoot was to make a first place finish meaningful
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 September 2014 04:22 (nine years ago) link