Do you think of Mormons as Christians?

I don't, nor jws. barely rly extend it to prods tbph.

that's the spirit

begrudgery innit

are there any self-described christian ska bands that are chiefly composed of mormons?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-F6eUppXK3Q/S-IkQgKaDhI/AAAAAAAAAAw/Zc5zCwsp5dc/S1600-R/black.jpg

What the hell is a heck?

I just found out that my mixed race parents married in a Canadian Mormon Church in the early 60s, or at least some branch thereof.
My brother just found the announcement that was printed in the London Ontario paper when they announced the wedding.

Upstate New York in the 19th century sounds like quite the place.. The story about Joseph Smith and the urim and thummin aka mystic divination rocks is wild.

The Q isn't "are Mormons Christians" but "do you think of them as Christians" and the answer is no, I think of them as hiking teetotal basketball-loving smile-bots living in the mountains and standing up at service to give testimony

― faghetti (fgti), Monday, September 1, 2014 7:28 PM (2 hours ago)

yeah IDK I grew up Mormon (hey hey have you heard)
they very much think of themselves as Christian
they're quite defensive about it
during my childhood they changed the graphic design on their logo to really hammer home the Jesus Christ part of the official name no one calls them
http://www.aftermormonism.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/lds.gif
l, r – "I'm going through changes" – Ozzy

you would think all that indoctrination would keep me from being surprised when people think Mormons are not xtians, but it still surprises me every time
when I first moved to NM, people would always start out conversations with, "so, are you Catholic, or are you Christian?"
like – those are the only options?
and – isn't the first in the same category as the second?

yes it is

right?
it was weird

i was only introduced to the notion that protestant christians might not consider catholics christians in college. a muslim friend of mine grew up in evangelical stronghold wheaton, illinois and had some stories. it left a mark. i realize wars have been fought over this stuff, but having been raised Muslim i found it hard to take the apostasy of Catholics/Mormons/whatever Christian group seriously. believing in the divinity of Christ is p distinctive.

I like that first font a lot more. Can we pool religious logos?

poll sorry

I was dumb enough to express this opinion at a Mormon friend's house where I'd been invited for dinner

― Everyone's a closet ned. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 1 September 2014 19:36 (3 hours ago)

how do mormons react to being told they are not christians

turn the other cheek?

i am not sure i knew what Mormons were till high school and even then i didn't have a solid grasp, but when I learned about them i remembered TV commercials i had seen that were sponsored by the church of jesus christ of latter day saints. that was enough for me to categorize them as christians. from this heathen's perspective, if jesus is in the name of your religious organization, you're christian.

sing this song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGS_gooSxE

xp

the notion that mormons might not be christians isnt something that is particularly well known here
during the 2012 presidential election season it was noted extensively that the evangelical constituency of the republican party do not regard mormons as kindred

I think anybody who thinks that Jesus H. Christ is the lord and savior of humanity is a Christian, even if that personal also believes in magic hats and glasses, or numerous lesser deities disguised as saints, or that Wonderbread and grape juice can transmorgify into flesh and blood, or that the world will end when a giant hand closes a book in the sky.

I have Mormon relatives on my dad's side so they were just like my Baptist or Presbyterian relatives except my got in trouble if they drank caffeine.

i was only introduced to the notion that protestant christians might not consider catholics christians in college.

I first heard of this in the early '00s when a fundamentalist coworker of mine casually mentioned something about all Catholics going to hell because they weren't Christian, the way I might casually mention that the weather is supposed to cool down by the end of the week.

evangelicals are definitely the american christians that are most intense about policing the boundaries of christianity

xp

She also invited me to church for Easter and when I declined, she shrugged and said, "Well, I'd hate to look down from heaven to see you burning in hell, so I tried." Then she went back to work.

and the most earnest about telling young muslims they're going to hell, according to my friend. i grew up in super-Catholic Buffalo and nobody ever confronted me about my doom.

lol xp

I love how non-agonized people sound when they say that kind of thing.
xp

I had no idea that anyone didn't.

She even allowed me in her home for a Mary Kay makeover! I might be doomed to the fiery depths of hell after death, but my money still spends.

i was only introduced to the notion that protestant christians might not consider catholics christians in college.

Didn't know this either. Tbh, I never even really understood why Protestantism and Catholicism were supposed to be different 'religions', any more than Saivite Hinduism and Vaishnavite Hinduism are different religions.

asking always made the priests angry at school so I always asked

i read some old reviews of U2 that classified them as christian rock.

its fair imo

according to some catholic message board, 50% of U2 are catholic (so I guess 50% catholic is still christian rock)

according to a list of famous mormons: "The Aquabats are an eight-man band. Currently, 2 of the Aquabats are LDS: Christian Jacobs and Chad Larson, the bassist. They're both active and attend the same ward in Orange County, CA. Band member Travis Barker is not a member of the church.”

so maybe the answer to this hinges on whether the aquabats are considered christian rock?

Would put them in the category, but in quite a distinct part of it

alt Christian

I find all the extra or 'weird' or weird mythology they have really interesting, if nothing else when someone else's mythologies stick out like a sore thumb it makes me realise that I've also got extra and weird mythologies

As someone raised in a communist areligious household I do not think of Mormons as Christians

I don't really know the difference between Catholics and heist oaks either

Feel like if I chose one it'd be seventh day Adventists because it sounds cool and it also sounds like you're part of a secretive dentistry cabal

Do all Christians follow the pope?

Oops heist oak should = Christians

Do all Christians follow the pope?

Only those who subscribe to People magazine.

Feel like if I chose one it'd be seventh day Adventists because it sounds cool and it also sounds like you're part of a secretive dentistry cabal

haha I feel like I judge various xtian faiths on how restrictive or non-restrictive they are, and on various human rights things, and you managed to pick one of the few with even tighter moral dictums and restrictions than the LDS

Whenever I think of mormonismi think of Joseph smith and how he found some cool gold bars that told him it was okay to have lots of wives?

I guess that's all I really know about Mormons

Are seventh day Adventists really strict?? Like no root canals on the sabbath, under absolutely no circumstances nuh uh??

Christiancatholics are straight up haunted by Jesus other christians seem to think he was alright if a lil uptight

I think I might feel positively about then because they're all vegetarians and live incredible long?

iirc they and Mormons both are studied by eipdemiology because of their clean living, no smoking, no drinking ways
BUT seventh day adventists are vegetarians, which is not something I disagree with, but it IS an added layer of discipline
My sister was vegetarian for a while and my dad would FIGHT with her about it
"It says in The Bible: man has dominion over the animals!"
nb this is not mormon doctrine; just my dad being my dad

ha xp

my family were real dicks about my sister being veggie
my mom would say things like, "I put chicken stock in the soup and didn't tell your sister – that's why she liked it so much"

Like I know 'catholic guilt' is a thing but I have never heard of 'Christian guilt' so I did figure Catholics have more shame about everything

And it does seem like every person you hear about who saves themself for marriage is a catholic and never say a Presbyterian

well yeah course it seemed like that I spent puberty on an island full of catholics

Here is what I wonder about mostly when I think about religion

Why do some monks live austerely but other monks get to brew and sell beer and get drunk?

What's the difference between a priest and a minister? I gather the priest has to wear a collar and all black and it definitely is a cool looking collar

Relating to above

Why do some church speakers get to have wives and children but others have to be celibate

When a ventriloquist dies what happens to his dummy?

Actually that last one was answered by the Simpsons

it was pretty crazy taking my boyfriend of ~2 years who grew up Episocpal in AZ to go meet my Mormon family in ID
his dad is a pipe organist and played for a lot of liberal strains of protestant faiths
he has never really been outside Tucson (according to the phone book there are 4 Mormon church buildings in Tucson)
on the way up we listened to a Maron podcast where Maron mentioned having just been in SLC, which he called "America's only working theocracy"
which, if you're going to call a U.S. city formed and governed by its constituent post-second-great-awakening faith members as a majority, SLC is not the only city in that category (maybe not doing my argument any favors but clearwater, fla., would be un ejemplo)

anyway the first day we were there in idaho and utah he had a panic attack of culture shock
he was freaked out that it was mostly white people
he was freaked out that it was "run by a cult"
he found my family's wholesome mormonnness foreign
he found my dad offputting – my dad managed to tell some racist and violent story about "Indians" raping a woman in the oil town where he works in ND, because my dad is just tactless at best

he eventually calmed down and I introduced him to some non-white, non-mormon idahoans

but last night I asked him out of curiosity if he thought mormons were xtian and he said "no" after a lot of hemming and hawing
that's why i started this thread

don't think i met any mormons until college

my first was this super nice guy (hi mike!) who had the misfortune of spending freshman year in a triple with an in-your-face evangelical and an asian hip-hop dude

tbf i'd not really met those stereotypes previously either

Neither here nor there, but I was talking to someone recently who spent her freshman year of college at a midwestern liberal arts school that has some reformed church linkage (and iirc, a link to an ilxor) and she told me that her roommates sat her down and tried an intervention because her family was Catholic and they thought she was going to hell.

― mh, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 23:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol

had a really funny & uncomfortable convo about the mormons two years ago. they say in business never talk about politics or religion. my group had a visit from our director, who was from india. we took him out for lunch, and all he wanted to know about was what was mitt romney about and what is this mormonism he has. so two lapsed lutherans an ex catholic and a practicing something-or-other (none fans of romney either) tried to explain this stuff to him with some fairness. eh, they mostly live out west, they have their own extra book of the bible, believe jesus came to north america at some pt, used to be okay w/ polygamy but they quit that a long time ago, great at sales etc.

the punchline is our director was from goa, and was portuguese catholic. we were mostly surprised he'd never heard of mormonism before until romney started making the US political news.

anyway, my answer is yes, but a little different, like

Always think of these little dudes though.

http://www.marmotpress.org/images/sittingMarmotL.jpg

Looks like he's chillin' in the light of Christ if you ask me.

I was wondering if you were going to find that comment!

There was a time when ALL so-called Christians were Catholic.

think you'd struggle to get this by anyone of orthodox bent. I'm fascinated by all the debates about christian lineages, schisms, offshoots etc. & love seeing the different family trees&timelines different groups put out as corrective propaganda. dogmatism is obv boring but the more subtle ways that the more liminal groups relate to wider/older communities&traditions is often v interesting, e.g. rastafarianism & the ethiopian orthodox church, haile selassie sending over a bishop to try to explain things, bob marley getting baptized &c.

Well, yeah. Those guys.

how can you take your clergy seriously if they don't wear hats?

http://powerpointparadise.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/OrthodoxGodfatherPatriarch_kirills_folding_cross.gif

There was a time when ALL so-called Christians were Catholic.

this is like the most roman catholic thing to say, ever

ok it took me like 5 loops to see what happened there, looool.

That gif is amazing.

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prob mentioned this once or twice but I went to a Lutheran school for a few years (which turned out to be run by the farthest right of the Lutheran synods, mom just put me there because my cousins went there and she thought all Lutherans were like ELCA Lutherans) and during the section of religion class about cults we probably did a week about Mormonism and its evils

of course my snarky lil irreligious brain immediately started being fond of them as a result, whatever the screws said I thought the opposite, \m/

this was the same school where I so bravely argued against their ludicrous creation science textbooks, leading to schoolyard bullying over my belief in evolution

i was raised fundie christian and yeah i was told that mormons were blasphemous hellbound weirdos again and again. ii was pretty surprised when mitt romney won the republican nomination because i was sure that the christian right would never in a million years align behind a mormon, esp after all of the talk in GWB's heyday that directly named the republican party as the party that Jesus himself is rooting for and talks to personally. i think it only happened because the field was THAT weak. james dobson and co just kind of backed away slowly and waited for 2016.

also on norm macdonald's podcast larry king said that he is married to a devout mormon, even though he does not personally believe in the afterlife or god, and that they don't talk about religion. which was pretty unusual imo /ime.

didn't think intermarriage was a "thing" as far as Mormons who are in full standing with the church goes but what do I know

Mormons seem paradoxical like that. Obviously, they're all about spreading the word and knocking on doors and sealing marriages and keeping outsiders at arm's length. BUT, they've never seem too haughty about it. Like maybe they realize they'll look more attractive if they don't turn their nose up at non-LDS members drinking a coffee like the Baptists do if you happen to pull out a longneck at a tailgate?

I couldn't stand Romney. He may have been one of the most red-faced, short-tempered egomaniacs to run on his party's ticket in 35 years. BUT while he was getting pissy about corporations not being people or getting called two-faced on abortion, he had this amazing "Well okey-dokey!" attitude toward voters he'd meet who'd spew about his religion being an amoral cult set up by a false prophet. "Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, it's what makes America so strong amirite?"

Look up what the Mormons call "soaking" if you really want to dig how they try to get around staying sacred.

I've heard it called 'docking' but I think the non-mormon usage has eclipsed the mormon usage

Also Mormon bubbling

Hey, what happens on the trampoline is what happens on the trampoline.

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Could the GOP have found anyone who looked more like Patrick Bateman? Good Lord.

It's like being made to play with kids you don't like: 'But Daaad, they're not even trinitarians!#