That's already starting to happen in reviews from the more self-aware sites like Polygon, and naturally they always get blowback from the same idiots for "inserting politics" into their hobby
But you're right, it's super easy to sign a letter like that. I'm more interested in a developer of Saints Row coming out and saying he agreed with Sarkeesian. tbf the franchise has been getting better in that respect but it started off pretty terrible, as evidenced by plot points in SR1 and 2 used in her videos. (While at the same time, having possibly the the best non-hetero-normative gender slider that just about any game has had in SR2)
― Nhex, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
That video above is more sad to me than anything, that these nimrods exist
― Nhex, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
tbh i find all the #notallgamers "hey there's right and wrong on both sides here let's stop arguing about this stuff" clowns just as aggravating
― Daphnis Celesta, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
yeah, pretty similar to the #notallmen thing, totally missing the point
― Nhex, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 20:56 (nine years ago) link
if sarkeesian ends up achieving something I will feel bummed at being proven wrong /:
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 10:05 (nine years ago) link
good attitude
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 13:01 (nine years ago) link
johnny fiveaces @brumbpo Aug 24
@Nicendeth @MichaelToole @Babylonian why do these turdmen always look like a Kane of Nod cosplay convention
irl lulz
― Daphnis Celesta, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 17:34 (nine years ago) link
http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-things-need-know-gamergate-scandal.php
lol wtf, every single one of these is like 180deg wrong
― goole, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
cant remember if gmart still reads here but v good article my man <3
― Neckbread (Will M.), Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
uh that was an xpost referring to his p4ste piece
"Even the extremely controversial feminist, Christina Hoff Sommers posted a tweet in favour of #GamerGate"
Such diversity. Even quislings are in favour.
― jmm, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link
yeah, do not click on that whatculture article, it's super infuriating and awful, and it's broken u into a million ages so to read all of their bullshit you just give them even more clicks, fuck everybody
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:37 (nine years ago) link
yeah.. when i got to #9 which was "everyone gets death threats, PSHAW" my eyes couldn't roll hard enough
― Nhex, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
it's broken u into a million ages
This is very true.
― jmm, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
hahaha
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwnH1q8IIAA_1Dk.png:large
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
good use of iso-cubes imo
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 4 September 2014 19:57 (nine years ago) link
took me FAR too long to realize that was a parody
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
how did you not realize the moment you got to "zoe quinn be arrested & tried to the full extent of the law for her duplicitous promiscuity and/or for really upsetting that developer guy"
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:08 (nine years ago) link
seemed in character tbqh
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:09 (nine years ago) link
"close down penny arcade as it is feminist" was the tell
i'm sympathetic to poe's law but c'mon
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:09 (nine years ago) link
have those fucks weighed in on this at all? They seem to be forever discussing minutia of the most minor online gamer dustups in vicious form; i don't know whether not commenting or commenting stupidly would be more in character for them.going in
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
she should be arrested and tried for duplicitous promiscuity??? "all games journalists to not be friends with other games journalists"?? the whole thing is obv absurd.
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
that's a parody yeah, but a quite subtle one.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:13 (nine years ago) link
Them weighing in would accomplish nothing but drawing attention to themselves so I guess it's surprising they haven't shat a big mansplainy turd into this mess
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link
http://social-justice-bullshit.tumblr.com/http://irlsocialjustice.tumblr.com/these are pretty funny too
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link
or maybe serious. i don't know.
oh and penny arcade is doing PAX (which they're part of? Not part of? depends on if they said anything stupid lately) so i think they're low profiling it but the dog whistle inherent in"PAX is a nice reminder of just how incredible games and gamers really are. I always come away from the show inspired by this community. "is pretty clear
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:21 (nine years ago) link
too late for me but aaargh yes
1. gamers are not a monolithic entity, it is dumb to say gamers are bad2. people who disagree with me are clearly not gamers and are therefore not entitled to an opinion. i can tell this because because gamers are a monolithic entity and all think the same3. in fact YOU are the real bigot for thinking that some games could deal with LGBT/women's/race issues/anything other than explosions and be appraised on different merits, did you ever think of that huh4. x (which is y, and that is not made up it is a FACT) is in fact (did I mention FACT) y, namely here is a list of ways it is y, and in conclusion x is y
(OK pots'n'kettles here as I am ILX's most circularly tl;dr but holy shit tautologies)
― the ghosts of dead pom-bears (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link
i dont know why i noticed this first but "burpturds" is not a spelling error even though it does point out the username as a spelling mistake
― Neckbread (Will M.), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:44 (nine years ago) link
there is a publisher called gamersgate, i bet they are not having a good time atm
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
"gamers" are not bad for the reasons you list but "gamer culture" is real and is historically pretty terrible in many ways
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
and i say that as a "gamer"
I went to QuakeCon twice in the very early 2000s
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
#notalllamerz
― Daphnis Celesta, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link
the problem w/ letting "gaming culture" mean white male asshole gamers that do misogynistic things is that it actually simplifies an always diverse gaming community and disenfranchises them from how they've historically seen themselves. all these articles keep positing this diverse gamership as being something new that is replacing "old gaming culture," but that's not true. gamers have always been a diverse crowd and only when focusing on a very particular niche of the gaming market (tho, in AAA FPS games the most profitable) does it make sense to talk about "gaming culture" imo. like, the first gamer i ever knew was my mom playing zelda on her NES and return to zork on her computer. i've played w/ card gamers and wargamers and board gamers and indie gamers and sim gamers and IF gamers and classic RPG gamers and tabletop gamers and they're all such diverse + robust communities. idk. this is nitpicking bc i assume when we talk here about "gamers" and "gaming culture" we all know who we're talking about (4channers), but this has been bothering me so i wanted to toss in my 2 cents.
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:24 (nine years ago) link
one of the many issues here is that a very vocal minority (the one you call 4channers) is claiming that 'gamers' title as theirs and only theirs.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
for sure, but they're wrong and we know they're wrong
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:28 (nine years ago) link
there is a weird complex here where a lot of the douchebags went to war over who could and who couldn't be a "gamer" slightly before it turned into "SJWs are the enemy"
take on board what your saying but that storm will pass i'm sure
― Daphnis Celesta, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sure Davis Aurini will become a MP in rural Alberta in the coming 15 years.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:39 (nine years ago) link
I wish I hadn't posted that video of his upthread. I posted his whole playlist by accident, which embeds whichever video is newest, and I can only imagine what vile shit might appear on there. Do any of you have mod powers by any chance?
― jmm, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link
"TINY INDIE DEVELOPERS" was what gave it away for me, but I read the bolded part first and now I just want "G-DAY" to happen.
― jmm, Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/09/gamergate_explodes_gaming_journalists_declare_the_gamers_are_over_but_they.html
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/Authors/david_auerbach-authorbio.pngjust another face in the diverse crowd
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
by which i mean to say that while a middle aged white guys opinion (mine included) isn't invalid, i would be interested in reading a few pieces from the pen of that diverse crowd of non middle aged white guy gamers who look at this situation any other way than "yeah, 'gamer culture' is a cesspool"
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
by which i mean to say GAMERS ARE NOT THE AGGRIEVED PARTY IN THIS FUCKSTORM
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:27 (nine years ago) link
That article somehow manages to 'cover' the recent brouhaha without actually discussing gender, sexism, misogyny, death threats, Sarkeesian or Quinn. Kinda, uh, weird.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:30 (nine years ago) link
Also manages to attribute quotes to "Gamasutra’s Keza MacDonald", but if you follow the link it's a blog post which clearly states "The following blog post, unless otherwise noted, was written by a member of Gamasutra’s community. The thoughts and opinions expressed are those of the writer and not Gamasutra or its parent company." Which is a tiny detail, but if you're writing a lolgamejournalism article at least try and get the basics right.
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:44 (nine years ago) link
i disagree. gamers are the aggrieved party. anita sarkeesian is a gamer. zoe quinn is a gamer.
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:50 (nine years ago) link
and like, yes, i'm being pedantic but if you're going to ignore my point forks