lol grube mad
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link
LOOOOL
― joe "scratch" perry (diamonddave85), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
i wouldn't expect anything less from him
grubington
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link
His entire "ownership" of what is basically a rough text formatting convention and one perl script has been the pissiest show of fake power for years. iirc people tried to submit a few bug fixes to his perl script and he refused to even update that, let alone do anything markdown-related other than say he was the creator (lol) for a decade.
The fact he's trying to claim ownership or exclusivity over the ability to make _underscores_ turn into italics or w/e is so.... nothing.
― mh, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link
its kinda like how he writes all day abt usability and his site is not mobile ready
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/gruber/status/507570887068237824 lool
(OK, I'm hardly one to talk on the benign neglect line but y'know)
― stet, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but you just know this is also some bullshit principle. iOS Safari is such a magical experience that you don't even need the baby web. See also: apple.com
― stet, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
ha yeah i love to pinch just to read still not big enough text its good
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
markdown is very good but grube believes himself an artist when hes really a craftsman
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
he is such a ding dong
― mh, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
what jackass
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link
ive got a heaping cup of claim chowder to server this jackass i swear
server this jackass
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
damn straight
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
Yeah the official Markdown is a Perl script implemented with regexes and tons of undefined edge cases, so thanks for the idea Grubes but the Pandoc guy is the true Markdown king now.
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
also no thanks for the idea. fuck markup. the mac did this better in 1984. ⌘-B >>>>>> "* *"
― stet, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:19 (nine years ago) link
Is that a rejected JW user name
― 龜, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:22 (nine years ago) link
^_^
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 4 September 2014 19:42 (nine years ago) link
The @horse_markdown parody Twitter account
― fields of salmon, Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link
man I don't ordinarily play this card but of Jeff Atwood and John Gruber, one of those people is actually a professional software developer
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:59 (nine years ago) link
http://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-common-markdown
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 00:06 (nine years ago) link
grubers a baby
Marco Arment @marcoarment
Whether Gruber filed a trademark with the USPTO or not has no relevance on whether it’s a dick move to commandeer the name.
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 00:10 (nine years ago) link
it is a commendable dick move imo
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 00:21 (nine years ago) link
John Gruber was also very upset, and I think rightfully so, that the word Markdown was not capitalized throughout the spec.
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 5 September 2014 13:28 (nine years ago) link
Atwood is a schmuck too. I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF? You're making the exact same mistake.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link
I'm also amused it took two years. What were they spending their time on? Another unverifiable reference parser?
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:43 (nine years ago) link
Allen (etaeoe)Posted: September 5, 2014 at 10:34:44 AMAtwood is a schmuck too.
i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link
dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
Totally. They should take their beef to app.net.
No contest.
Aside: has ILX discussed Model View Culture? The Shanley and Atwood drama was entertaining.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF?
psssh like these talky web and MS-lovin' dudes know what a grammar is
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
it's nabisco's blog iirc: http://agrammar.tumblr.com
― markers, Friday, 5 September 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
otm
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
Jeff Atwood @codinghorror 2mThe Standard / Common Markdown project, in accordance with the wishes of @gruber, has been renamed to http://commonmark.org
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
Such total twats.
Hey let's move this to Discourse.
― stet, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link
congrats gruber you just made yourself even more irrelevant to this than you already are
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Friday, 5 September 2014 23:52 (nine years ago) link
(btw presumably the spec is not in the form of a BNF grammar definition b/c markdown isn't even context-free so you couldn't specify or implement it that way, or use a context-free parser generator to parse it. The pandoc guy's implementations generally use Parsing Expression Grammars, an abstraction for describing parses with more power than a CFG.)
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Jeff Atwood may be a dillweed but jgm (the pandoc guy) is good at actual things.
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:03 (nine years ago) link
http://commonmark.org
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:38 (nine years ago) link
Are the Yankees the best team in baseball?We used to think so.
― sofatruck, Saturday, 6 September 2014 03:01 (nine years ago) link
It's possible to specify a context sensitive language using a formal grammar. In fact, it's a useful exercise because the grammar emphasizes the ambiguities of the underlying language. It's also possible to reduce a language into a context-free grammar by assuming a modifying lexical analysis pass (e.g. many programming languages, but notably white space sensitive languages like Haskell or Python). Semicolon insertion is a common technique.
― Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 6 September 2014 13:08 (nine years ago) link
Heh I stand outgunned.
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link
can u explain that to someone who like knows jquery
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 September 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/509410066857201664
― caek, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
i love @pinboard
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
srsly
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:14 (nine years ago) link
when he clowns the people who bought delicious I giggle
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link
the youtube dudes, right? chad hurley and whoever?
― markers, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link
idk man but I googled thishttp://www.crunchbase.com/organization/delicious
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link